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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:13 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:28 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:03 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:44 am
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In my mind, they're all just as bad. In some cases the "cross wearer" is worse, but let me tune some things:
A KKK-Nazi is not the same as a cross wearer. A better comparison would be a Militant Muslim. Just because someone wears a cross doesn't mean they are a zealot, but someone who wears a swastika on top of his already antisemitic white-supremacist clothing is clearly a zealot! Therefore, he is better compared to religious zealots such as anti-abortion pro-lifers who post the home addresses of doctors in hopes of getting them murdered.
In that case, their both ********' nuts. I would avoid them all. But you also have to understand that not all of the fervent religious are violent, in fact, although I wish it were otherwise since it would help the case of religion being bad for the world, in America, violent theists are a minority. However, antisemitic white-supremacists are prone to violence! And that is a major point in my looking down at him a little more than a fervent theist. Furthermore, at least most religions have the option of conversion, where as KKK-Nazi is out for genocide. You can see the massive difference.
I'd also like to state, that, in a way, I do parallel some forms of theism with racism. However, we live in a free country, and if one wants to be racist or a theist, it is their choice. So long as they don't commit crimes and attempt to force their philosophies on me, it's really none of my concern.
As for your other question, I do see a connection between ignorance (mind you, I mean it's literal definition as in "lack of knowledge" and not it's incorrect modern usage as a synonym for "foolish") and theism and racism, but it is not an absolute since there are very educated racists, theists, sexists, and bigots. But one does have to be a fool to be any of them.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:48 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:04 am
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 1:46 pm
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alteregoivy For me, it's a difference in attitude. The KKK always promotes hate. That's what they're about. On the other hand, no matter how you may feel about fundamentalists, not all Christians and Muslims hate, or are even particularly concerned with what others believe and will not bother you. It's like... If they respect me, I will respect them. It's just that it's rather rare to get respect for my world-view from people who do things like wear crosses and such, so it's sort of rare that I give it back.
I agree... Assuming that a Christian or a Muslim is full of hatred and racism is like assuming that an atheist has no morals because they don't have a religion to base their morals in. Like you said, the KKK and their members are about hatred. With religious people, it's not as cut and dry; there are some who use their religion to hate, and others who use their religion to love (and more still who aren't too attached to their religion, but they probably wouldn't be the ones wearing crosses or burqas). I don't feel you can accurately assume which person they are just because of a cross or the fact that they wear a burqa.
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:17 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:52 pm
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alteregoivy For me, it's a difference in attitude. The KKK always promotes hate. That's what they're about. On the other hand, no matter how you may feel about fundamentalists, not all Christians and Muslims hate, or are even particularly concerned with what others believe and will not bother you. It's like... If they respect me, I will respect them. It's just that it's rather rare to get respect for my world-view from people who do things like wear crosses and such, so it's sort of rare that I give it back. Agreed. I mean, it does bother me a little when people wear really obvious signs of their religion (Christian t-shirts mostly), but that's because, due to my personal experiences, I can't help but associate those garments with pushy bigots. A simple cross necklace or something along those lines generally doesn't bother me.
I think that following a religion isn't necessarily ignorance. Some people do believe out of ignorance, but I think more people believe out of fear; they are victims.
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