Ethics in Practice

[Ishtar Shakti]

Chieftain Twilight

this here seems to me like it can be explained by taking a good look at ethics and philosophy, and where they meet. it is a matter of practicality as well as of principle.

let's take a look at Alchemy for example. the simple scientific processes of understanding the properties of all things, material and spiritual, breaking them down to various degrees of deconstruction (the lowest being where we see all things are made up of the same basic materials, and further down we see that there is only energy, existance), and finaly rebuilding it into something new. this was the precursor to science, particularly the fields of Chemistry and Physics, as well as a bridge between Science and Religion.

it too, was hated, despised, and call a crime against nature. but it WAS nature! it IS nature! it is understanding, and working with, nature.

all things effect all other things, by acting, reacting, and even just by thinking, or even just by being. it is too often that people forget that they too are part of nature, and that they do not disrupt the balance any more than any other thing in nature by doing things which are natural.

magic is natural. alchemy is natural. killing is natural. protecting is natural. eating is natural. mating is natural. changing things is natural.

it is by trying to regulate, by trying to make your own laws greater or more important than the natural laws, that we become "unnatural". ironically, ethics are the very thing that they claim is unethical.

i need no justification to seduce middle-school girls, for example. i can, if i want. i can say it is the same as a wolf stalking lambs, or i can say it is the same as a lion hunting gazelle, or i can say it is the same as a human shooting a dear. because it is. do they justify those actions? no. they do it because that is how they get food. and the body needs food, just like it needs sex, warmth and rest. it is to satisfy instinctual drives which keep th being alive and further the survival of the species.

how's THAT for ethics.

What we need is not what we desire and we do not die if we do not have sex. As to not praying on school girls that is more a mater of lying then anything else. A school girl may not Know what you mean when you say certain things. They may not Know alot of things and by praying on ignorance men get to plant their p***s' more then anyone actually needs to.

I don't see why your hand doesn't work just as well... Seriously praying on the weak and the stupid is a sign of weakness. It inhibits evolution. If a lion cannot capture anything but the wounded when All the wounded have been eaten he will die.

If you spend all your life ******** stupid a** school girls you will be a lonely perverted 40 year old man who can't get off to anything but kiddy porn because by then your looks have degraded to the point that the stupid a** girls won't go near you.
Just saying.  

[Ishtar Shakti]

Nymshi

My ethics? I'm afraid I've stolen from the Wicca on this one.

"And do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

Or something to that effect.

Point being that no matter what we do, the basic fact we exist is going to deprive someone else. The absolute most we can hope to do for anyone is to respect their free will and to not take more than we need. But even these are impossible ideals at times. The situation must always be take into consideration.

Still...I think perhaps the most important thing to consider when doing anything is--and this is borrowing more from the Christian ideal--could you stand up before whatever God or spirit you hold worthy to judge one's life and say that you have no regret for the thing you did? That in effect, given what you knew then, that you would do it again?

Because we're never going to live fault free lives. We're always going to fall short of our aspirations and ideals. No matter the intention, we will inevitably cause some measure of harm to those we meant to help. That despite our absolute best efforts, there will always be repercussions we simply could not see and did not plan for. And knowing this, we still thought it important enough to sacrifice our time and energy to try.

But honestly...it sounds like you're trying to put the weight of the world on your shoulders and you're just one person in that world. The weight is not yours alone to bear nor should you feel required to do so.

Just do what you can and let the rest take care of itself.

Thats Thelema not wicca. Aliester crowly and the "Satanists" follow that law but with a slight twist.

I guess your right... Though I don't really hold to any being.  

[Chieftain Twilight]

Ishtar Shakti

Chieftain Twilight

this here seems to me like it can be explained by taking a good look at ethics and philosophy, and where they meet. it is a matter of practicality as well as of principle.

let's take a look at Alchemy for example. the simple scientific processes of understanding the properties of all things, material and spiritual, breaking them down to various degrees of deconstruction (the lowest being where we see all things are made up of the same basic materials, and further down we see that there is only energy, existance), and finaly rebuilding it into something new. this was the precursor to science, particularly the fields of Chemistry and Physics, as well as a bridge between Science and Religion.

it too, was hated, despised, and call a crime against nature. but it WAS nature! it IS nature! it is understanding, and working with, nature.

all things effect all other things, by acting, reacting, and even just by thinking, or even just by being. it is too often that people forget that they too are part of nature, and that they do not disrupt the balance any more than any other thing in nature by doing things which are natural.

magic is natural. alchemy is natural. killing is natural. protecting is natural. eating is natural. mating is natural. changing things is natural.

it is by trying to regulate, by trying to make your own laws greater or more important than the natural laws, that we become "unnatural". ironically, ethics are the very thing that they claim is unethical.

i need no justification to seduce middle-school girls, for example. i can, if i want. i can say it is the same as a wolf stalking lambs, or i can say it is the same as a lion hunting gazelle, or i can say it is the same as a human shooting a dear. because it is. do they justify those actions? no. they do it because that is how they get food. and the body needs food, just like it needs sex, warmth and rest. it is to satisfy instinctual drives which keep th being alive and further the survival of the species.

how's THAT for ethics.

What we need is not what we desire and we do not die if we do not have sex. As to not praying on school girls that is more a mater of lying then anything else. A school girl may not Know what you mean when you say certain things. They may not Know alot of things and by praying on ignorance men get to plant their p***s' more then anyone actually needs to.

I don't see why your hand doesn't work just as well... Seriously praying on the weak and the stupid is a sign of weakness. It inhibits evolution. If a lion cannot capture anything but the wounded when All the wounded have been eaten he will die.

If you spend all your life ******** stupid a** school girls you will be a lonely perverted 40 year old man who can't get off to anything but kiddy porn because by then your looks have degraded to the point that the stupid a** girls won't go near you.
Just saying.

you straying from my point. sides, i don't only have sex with school-girls. they are just one of my favourites. i have actual lovers as well; a bellydancerw ho i have an S&M relationship with, a Male-to-Female trannie from the same social circle as the dancer, a boyfriend (slightly older man), and a girlfriend (who is actually about 5 1/2 years older than me).

anywho, i'm not saying that lack of sex will kill someone, but it's more than just physical survival. it is a basic need because it is an instinctual drive. you can suppress it, but that is just as unhealthy as overstimulation. the ideal amount of go-time varies from person to person and time to time. some people have a more active libido than others, and besides that is what they feel comfortable doing. personally, i don't feel like my life is fullfilling without ******** around. that's just me. other people feel the need to preserve sex for their spouse. some people choose to remain abstinent forever (and in fact some people are completely uninterested in sex altogether).

now, back to the matter at hand. it is my personal belief that ethics only matter if you as an individual decide that they matter to you. and nobody can make ethics matter to anybody but themselves. it's as simple as that.