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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:23 pm
Yea, I don't have a visual imagination so it's hard to remember, the only vague scene I can conjure up is from the bit that correlates to season 0 way in the beginning, it's just him, and he's being all weird and creepy.
Hahaha, oh I was just kidding, I'm sure it's not an evil racist ploy it's just amusing to say it is.
My friend told me so I'm taking her word on it. It was quoted in some magazine/article/or other in response to aggitation over fanfiction or something, and people making the characters gay. Tak-sensei supposedly insisted that none of them were gay in response. So if it is true I can't help but laugh, a lot.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:41 pm
I love when Yami no Yuugi is all weird and creepy. XD I figured as much, but felt the need to explain anyway. <3 Hmm, that's interesting. Somehow I have to doubt it's authenticity though... not to discredit your friend, but I've, oddly enough, heard the exact same thing about Death Note, where the creator said in an interview that the characters weren't gay in annoyance over the yaoi fandom. Not to mention, thus far out of every 'interview fact' I've heard over manga and have managed to find their credibility, only one (Namekseijin being referred to as hermaphrodites by Dragon Ball's creator) has proven to be true. Of course, anything's possible, but I attempted looking it up, and the only thing I could find at all similar was that someone said Takahashi Sensei said all of the characters were either straight or bi, WTF? XD
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 5:14 pm
Hehe, he does do that well.
Mmm, well I can ask my friend where she heard that if I remember next time I see her, no idea when that will be. It was years ago she actually quoted it to me, though she does reference it in jokes still from time to time now. Although I guess technically, if they were straight or bi then they wouldn't be gay...technically. Hehe. Honestly though I could believe a lot of creators would say that, I mean I've read random manga that makes comments in the margin to the effect of what they think of what fandoms do with some things. I mean personally I wouldn't care regardless of what I intended, but there are a lot of homophobic people out there, and there are several authors who do go out of there way to go on record and say "that is so not true!"
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:39 pm
Yeah, oftentimes friends hear things from others who heard it from others who heard it from others who totally made it up for the hell of it, so people can be wrong without necessarily lying. And although I definitely agree that there are probably some authors out there who don't want their characters portrayed gay and who would/do set the record straight, generally when that kind of thing happens, someone in the fandom hunts the info down and puts it on a wiki or something, and then eventually it becomes at least semi-common knowledge. As for mangaka in general, considering the overall 'polite culture' that permeates Japan, for the most part I could more see them mentioning that fandoms shipping their characters surprised them, but not so much blatantly stating that their characters aren't gay. I find mangaka tend to prefer their fans taking the characters into their own hands as another means of enjoying the fandom, though of course there will always be exceptions, and both Takahashi Sensei and the Death Note author could very well be those.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 11:16 pm
Oh well I know she didn't hear it form anyone she read it somewhere, and I'm pretty sure it was a magazine. It's just this was years ago and I don't pay attention to magazines that I don't read myself. That doesn't make it any more reputable considering as obviously just because it's printed doesn't make it true. Veracity is not a requirement of publication.
And I really don't troll the wiki so I can't exactly go check out things that I know for sure, that I've found written/stated by the author themselves, but the wiki is also not a reliable source either. There are no qualifications for posting on the wiki other than having an opinion. It's not like .edu sites where you must have permission, authority and credentials in order to be able to post and create. So even if the wiki said it I wouldn't trust it as true, likewise a certain mentality goes into updating a site like wiki, so there are people who might not want to post information - specifically if they disagreed with it. There is a reason many teachers and professors ban things like wiki/wikipedia/etc as "references" in projects. Because they aren't references, they are opinion sites that may or may not have a certain amount of facts in them.
And even polite cultures do not have any qualms about hiding prejudices. Racism, orientation prejudices, etc are all very abundant in polite societies - because it's not seen as being rude. But as seeing something as inferior. You don't have to be nice to a bug. It's sad but true. These are feelings that if you look at a culture are not always nicely suppressed. I mean public figures are CONSTANTLY making the news - particular celebs and political figures - for blunders in these areas. I mean yes, the "polite" are supposed to hide it, but they usually can't. And as the world as a whole doesn't have a consensus of condemnation for these beliefs/actions/feelings/etc, these "blunders" will keep occurring for some time. And, as soon as something loses mass appeal/intrigue it usually gets forgotten anyhow. It's easy to be anti-gay, anti-ethnics, anti-women when there are cultures that allow these things.
As for authors - mangaka and novels, I don't know if I find that to be true. I mean speaking as an author who knows several authors (mostly only novels true, only know of two mangaka, and can't say I "know" them formally offline or well online) - published and otherwise - you are not referencing a breed of people who are exactly one for "sharing." I mean art is a lot harder to steal, it's harder for just anyone to replicate a style. Writing not so much (as long as someone is literate it's hard to prove they didn't write something themselves), which makes us paranoid people. And, thus we don't particularly adore people taking any aspects of our stories - characters especially, since characters are some of the most unique things one create. I mean even Shakespeare has only a few plots recycled over and over - but he's got dozens to hundreds of fabulous characters that have served to make him a legend. I think in general though, creators are possessive.
True once you are published you can at least prove what's yours, so while authors might be disgusted by some of the things "fans" do, they probably aren't going to make the effort to actually go make a statement. I mean if for no other reason, you have to realize it will do nothing. Especially if you don't care about something. I mean generally the authors who make statements are people who are actually against something (or afraid to be thought to be that thing themselves) - like a homophobic author insisting their characters aren't gay, or a pro-life author insisting their character would never have an abortion, or a devout catholic insisting their is nothing wrong with clerical rape. Ok SO just kidding on that last one, haha, couldn't resist a joke.
They want fans to like their work, feel connected, but at the same time they also want it to remain theirs, remain in control. It's why authors like JK do ridiculous things like hold press conferences to impose information about characters AFTER the fact. I mean hey, I've got no problem with Dumbledore being gay, I do have a problem with the fact that it's not in the books. Artists should not explain their work, not really. Still, the temptation to retain control is strong with a lot of creators. It's a field where you really have to let go, and that's kind of scary.
Anyhow, I don't find it hard to believe Takahashi did say that or something like that, though I wouldn't necessarily take it as an offensive (even if it's funny to take it as a literal joke). Just that he wrote a shonen series, that's supposed to be about games, magic, friendship, etc. Not about weird romantic entanglements. So if he did say it, I'd just take it as a statement to mean that the show is not about all the characters sleeping with each other. Not as an anti-gay statement. And perhaps if it is understood in such a context, it's why the statement - if it existed - would be buried. Because that's not interesting.
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 6:07 pm
I definitely don't think the statement either way would be intended as offensive or homophobic. I just find it surprising that a mangaka would bother to make that statement in the first place, when, as you said, fandom does take things into its own hands regardless. I agree that authors generally have that mentality, but at least from all of the little side notes that mangaka always write, from what I've seen, they tend to just say how thankful they are to their fans/surprised at how popular their work has become/give news on drama CDs or whatever. From all of these little side notes, in which I've read hundreds, I can only think of maybe... two or three instances where a mangaka blatantly stated a fact about their characters as a means of informing or correcting the fandom. Not to mention how strange it would be for an American magazine to publish an interview or something with Takahashi Sensei, unless it was a translated magazine your friend read.
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 7:30 pm
Yea well, like I said, creators are controlling. And the bigger someone gets the less grateful they get and the more big-headed they can be. I haven't seen a lot of comments to that effect either, but I do see some from time to time. Not blatantly stated as a "correction" to the fandom, but a revelation about character info that isn't in the series. So it seems unnecessary to share except to block out assumptions. And no it wasn't an American magazine, which is why I don't remember it. That would have been strange though.
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 10:39 pm
Hmm, I'm curious to find this magazine then. Definitely sounds more plausible if it's in a Japanese magazine, but I still haven't been able to come up with anything. XP
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:04 pm
Idk, and again even if she remembers this was 4 - 5 years ago. It'd be an old issue (assuming it's a magazine still in print - maybe this horrendous blasphemy ended their career and thus why they've been forgotten into oblivion XD) and an aged quote.
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:59 pm
...that would actually be pretty kickass if a quote involving YUU*GI*OU yaoi (even negatively) actually ended a magazine's run. XD
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Kitsune Ketz Kwineight Captain
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JuokasKurvas Vice Captain
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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 3:50 pm
Hahahaha, yea. Not likely, but I'd be amused too.
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