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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 10:59 pm
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Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 11:55 pm
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:42 am
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 7:02 am
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:38 pm
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Dalcain Arcane_Ninja24 im pretty content just having the knowledge and memory of the experience. if people ask i will answer (95% of the time) if people don't believe, then good for them. if people are asses about it, then they can go f**k themselves. This is a shared feeling. XD XD
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Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 9:16 pm
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honestly, I kinda like that not everybody believes this inda stuff. I feel a little set apart, I'll admit I feel proud of knowing something that they don't, or having an experience that would have me labled insane if I shared it with them. I like just keeping it to myself.
on the other hand, I also enjoy knowing about others who do believe this stuff, who have experienced the same or similar things, or who have answers to questions of mine. I like honestly answering their questions, and sharing stries with them.
living in "more than one world", as I sometimes like to call this pattern of hiding and telling select people based on their belief, is in itself a coping method for some of my other issues. I'm diagnosed Paranoid Schizophrenic, and the Occult and Metaphysics are places where I can direct my frustrations and confusions to seek answers. I like Philosophy, Metaphysics, and the Occult. plus, I'm bored with the drudgery of mundane life. I don't wantto be pumped with meds and told to conform, so I'd much rather keep it secret. and besides, it's fun to live a double life! ^_^
I don't see the point of trying to prove the "Truth" to others. what does it matter? why bother? does it realy make you happy to show other folk that something they don't believe in actually exists? let them live the life they want, it doesn't make a difference.
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 6:34 am
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Obscurus As occultists or at least those interested in the paranormal and hidden aspects of reality, how do we cope with the thing that constantly weighs down our field: lack of objective evidence? I've experienced incredible things in my studies and practices of various areas of occultism and mysticism but I don't have a shred of conclusive proof for any of it. It was definitely real to me, but I'm quite sure that it would be hard to believe for most other people. So how do you deal with it? Are you content just having this knowledge and experience for yourself or do you constantly strive to prove the objective reality of the paranormal or supernatural? Do you think it even matters? Do you tell people about your experiences openly or do you fear being labeled mentally unstable? Are you afraid that you are actually going mad because you are having these strange experiences? Personally, I know that probably no one will believe that I've made contact with an entity from another sphere of reality. I was quite surprised myself when it actually worked. But I'm willing to do it again because maybe, just maybe, I'll receive information that can help me along in more objective occult faculties. If some day I'm able to conclusively prove something miraculous to the world then great, but for the time being I'm content with seeing just how far I can go. How did you contact an entity? and what kind of entity? Yeeeeep im here too lol
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:35 am
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 7:38 am
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Arcane_Ninja24 Dalcain Arcane_Ninja24 im pretty content just having the knowledge and memory of the experience. if people ask i will answer (95% of the time) if people don't believe, then good for them. if people are asses about it, then they can go f**k themselves. This is a shared feeling. XD XD
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 4:37 pm
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Obscurus As occultists or at least those interested in the paranormal and hidden aspects of reality, how do we cope with the thing that constantly weighs down our field: lack of objective evidence? I've experienced incredible things in my studies and practices of various areas of occultism and mysticism but I don't have a shred of conclusive proof for any of it. It was definitely real to me, but I'm quite sure that it would be hard to believe for most other people. So how do you deal with it? Are you content just having this knowledge and experience for yourself or do you constantly strive to prove the objective reality of the paranormal or supernatural? Do you think it even matters? Do you tell people about your experiences openly or do you fear being labeled mentally unstable? Are you afraid that you are actually going mad because you are having these strange experiences? Personally, I know that probably no one will believe that I've made contact with an entity from another sphere of reality. I was quite surprised myself when it actually worked. But I'm willing to do it again because maybe, just maybe, I'll receive information that can help me along in more objective occult faculties. If some day I'm able to conclusively prove something miraculous to the world then great, but for the time being I'm content with seeing just how far I can go.
I gave up looking for objective evidence some time ago. That isn't to say that I don't think such a thing exists, just that I don't necessarily require compelling evidence to demonstrate to other people what my gains are - I'm into the occult largely for my own benefit, and that doesn't require me to prove much.
As an aside, I do wonder if perhaps the reason we've supposedly not found conclusive proof of the paranormal is that we don't recognise it for what it is - given that a lot of the mental trickery supposedly available to magicians from previous ages can be passed off as mentalism, perhaps there are entire subsections of the occult that have been proven to be due to other forces we have some knowledge of, but are still very much part of magic/the occult?
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 9:29 pm
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BSPBleach Arcane_Ninja24 Dalcain Arcane_Ninja24 im pretty content just having the knowledge and memory of the experience. if people ask i will answer (95% of the time) if people don't believe, then good for them. if people are asses about it, then they can go f**k themselves. This is a shared feeling. XD XD rofl
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Posted: Mon May 23, 2011 10:38 pm
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Mitsh Obscurus As occultists or at least those interested in the paranormal and hidden aspects of reality, how do we cope with the thing that constantly weighs down our field: lack of objective evidence? I've experienced incredible things in my studies and practices of various areas of occultism and mysticism but I don't have a shred of conclusive proof for any of it. It was definitely real to me, but I'm quite sure that it would be hard to believe for most other people. So how do you deal with it? Are you content just having this knowledge and experience for yourself or do you constantly strive to prove the objective reality of the paranormal or supernatural? Do you think it even matters? Do you tell people about your experiences openly or do you fear being labeled mentally unstable? Are you afraid that you are actually going mad because you are having these strange experiences? Personally, I know that probably no one will believe that I've made contact with an entity from another sphere of reality. I was quite surprised myself when it actually worked. But I'm willing to do it again because maybe, just maybe, I'll receive information that can help me along in more objective occult faculties. If some day I'm able to conclusively prove something miraculous to the world then great, but for the time being I'm content with seeing just how far I can go. I gave up looking for objective evidence some time ago. That isn't to say that I don't think such a thing exists, just that I don't necessarily require compelling evidence to demonstrate to other people what my gains are - I'm into the occult largely for my own benefit, and that doesn't require me to prove much. As an aside, I do wonder if perhaps the reason we've supposedly not found conclusive proof of the paranormal is that we don't recognise it for what it is - given that a lot of the mental trickery supposedly available to magicians from previous ages can be passed off as mentalism, perhaps there are entire subsections of the occult that have been proven to be due to other forces we have some knowledge of, but are still very much part of magic/the occult?
I agree with most of this. I think that since most, if not all, occult activities take place in or through the mind then finding conclusive evidence is very hard. This problem is encountered in parapsychology as well as psychology. The more controls you put in place the smaller the effect becomes. When you throw individual, unique minds into the mix it's hard to get concrete data through the scientific method (which relies on large sample sizes).
I think that some, if not most, of the occult stuff that has been incorporated into the "understood" category has stripped away the deeper meanings and perhaps misses a lot of the points and subtler applications. For instance, the well-known example of alchemy going on to form chemistry. All esoterica has been stripped away and we're left with hard and fast applications, for good or ill.
I also think that sometimes it's easier to pass off paranormal experiences as being because of the fallibility of the senses or products of psychology. However, I've brought this up with dogmatic materialists before: if the senses are fallible then how can we trust them with any certainty at all? The majority argument doesn't really work there as according to them all people are susceptible to the same fallibility. Obviously we trust our senses beyond scientific reason everyday; why shouldn't we accept all sensations as perhaps having some basis in reality, however subtle that reality may be?
I also think that the sheep/goat effect comes into play. In order to find something you have to be looking for something and if you're already opposed to something you're most likely not going to find it. I've recognized that most of my experiences can't be objectively proven but they still benefit me and that's the important bit. I study the occult because I have an interest and desire. I've found very few subjects that I find as interesting and one of my driving goals has always been knowledge. What is more coveted than occult knowledge?
As to everyone asking about the entity: I evoked a Neptunian spirit to the astral plane and viewed it/communicated with it through scrying. The overall process is pretty similar (but more controlled) than that given by Trithemius for drawing spirits into crystals. It's not quite as stuffy as the Golden Dawn or Enochian traditions for evocation though. It was not an evocation to the physical plane. If there are any other questions then do please ask.
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2011 9:46 pm
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Posted: Fri May 27, 2011 2:40 pm
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2011 1:56 am
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