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i read jesus and the apostles had sex but not gay sex because they werent gay

I'm not quite sure where you heard that from, but where you did - it wasn't a reliable source. The Holy Bible never mentions anything about Jesus and the apostles having sex. Jesus would have never been the perfect sacrifice if He had sex and it would've probably distracted Him from His purpose. Jesus was born in order to die for everyone's sins and fulfilled His purpose here on Earth. Sex would've made Him an imperfect sacrifice, which would be a problem because His sacrifice had to be perfect to give us a chance of salvation by dying for our sins.

The Holy Bible doesn't actually mention anything about a**l sex if you aren't gay. That's something that we don't know about 100% so we don't know for sure if it's looked down upon or not. It's taboo in society a lot today unless the subject is about those who are gay. So whether it's truly right or wrong between a heterosexual couple - we simply won't know.

Let me know if this testimony is of any help to you. This is slightly unrelated to the topic of the discussion, but gay people can be Christians, too! smile God accepts anyone and everyone who comes to Him. He's more merciful than you may realize, and that's what's so awesome about God.

Here's jb-pichu's testimony (I hope he doesn't get mad at me for showing his stuff lol) from this link.

jb-pichu:
Well, I'm brand new to this forum but here's my testimony! Just as a note, if you feel uncomfortable reading certain things, you might want to skip over labeled parts of my testimony. I'm putting it all out here. Also, I'm not sure the denominational background of people, but just so you know - I have no denomination that I cling to anymore; so, anything on this testimony that disagrees with any denominational doctrine, please do not try to debate with me - I do not debate on doctrines.

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I was born in Valdosta, GA, in 1989 and my early life was pretty normal, actually. My dad was stationed at Moody AFB, went to Kunsan for training, came back and we were then stationed at Wright Pat for his last year in the Air force. I was home schooled for Kindergarten, and after that one year in Ohio we moved down to Alabama to live near my grandparents.

Things really started taking a turn down hill by the time we had to move into my grandparents' home after losing the house. We weren't poor, though. Any time I wanted to spend time with dad playing a video game or something, he would always say, "Maybe later, Joshua." It got to a point where he was constantly on the computer. By the time I was ten years old, I could my Mom and Dad didn't really talk a lot, and Mom came to me one night and asked me if I would like to move to Okinawa, Japan. I told her, "Sure! Is Dad coming with us?" She told me, "No, he's not." I then asked her, "Oh...are you two thinking about getting a divorce?" She said, "Well yeah, I thought we would!" My response was, "Oh, well tell Dad that I love him!" No emotions.

Now, normally a biblical reason for a divorce is infidelity or abuse, both of which my mom does NOT take. Plus even if a man tried to abuse her, HE would end up being the one on the ground. smile

Anyway, I'll just say their reason is a very UNIQUE one. That's all I'm saying on that.

We moved to Okinawa, Japan in November of 1999 and this beautiful place became our home. I attended DODEA schools from 5th grade, until I graduated high school in June of 2007.

Throughout my school life, I faced a lot of bullying. When I was in middle school, I was often called many words that I won't repost here simply because some may not be comfortable reading them. But, y'all probably get the picture; they were derogatory words for homosexual. I've always been a soft-hearted individual with a very flamboyant nature and a very artsy mind that loves music, art, designs, colors, etc. I'm also a philosopher. My mind is constantly thinking about certain beliefs, and whether or not the belief is accurate or true.

See, I also started becoming attracted to guys and so I began thinking I was gay. With the people calling me gay, that didn't help me! When I got into high school, I seriously believed I was!

[Next part includes some things that may not be comfortable to read]

When I was thirteen, I started looking at pornographic images....of men. By the time I was fifteen, I was webcamming with other guys, often doing strip teases. By the time I was sixteen, I labeled myself as being a homosexual. It was what I honestly thought I was!

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By the time I was seventeen, I had already been in a few relationships, even gotten kissed, and almost had sex with another guy. Fortunately, I've always been a chicken!

When I turned eighteen, the end of my senior year, I had finally reached a certain point. See, there's a scripture I always ended up reading (mom was big into studying prophecy):

"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire." (Rev 20:15; NIV)

Deep down, I knew that my name was not in the Lamb's Book of Life - that if I were to stand before Yeshua HaMashiyach (Jesus Christ), I would be sent into destruction. So, deep down there was a conviction.

One night, I fell to my knees in my bedroom and cried out, "Lord! I need help! Please help me!"

It is written, "We know that God doesn't listen to sinners, but he is ready to hear those who worship him and do his will." (John 9:31; NLT)

I certainly fit the bill of being a sinner! But, I knew that God looks at the heart of a person (1 Sam 16:7).

Within only a few months, that prayer was answered, along with the ones my Mom had been praying.

I was in a Yahoo chat room when suddenly I got an IM from somebody! They asked me, "Is this Joshua ?" I said, "...Yes....who are you?" They then told me, "I am an angel of the Lord, and He has sent me. . ." Definitely straightforward, if I say so myself! Now granted, I didn't believe them one bit at first, but they told me that their job was not to have me believe who THEY are, but for me to believe in the One True God as my Savior and Lord.

As I said before, I'm the philosopher type. I ask questions...MANY OF THEM. I even asked them, "How do I know you're not a demon trying to lead me away??" He chuckled, and simply replied with, "Now Joshua, if I were a demon would I be leading you TO Christ, or away from him?" They made a good point!

So time went on and I gradually noticed the Lord making changes in my life. My language started changing, and other stuff too! Some say you have to have this SUDDEN change to be a Christian....what a bunch of bull!

Though, I did end up going to a church and I made a public confession. I was standing at the altar, when suddenly this wind blew through me. As soon as this wind blew through me I heard God say to my spirit, "My child, you are forgiven!"

For anyone who's grown up in pentecostal/charismatic circles, this next part isn't anything new.

My pastor came back and began teaching on the Holy Spirit. Well, being the brand new Christian, uncorrupted by man's teachings, I simply wanted all that God had for me. I wanted all of His promises. Next thing I know, I could feel the Spirit of God just come over me like fire and out of my mouth came the most absolutely beautiful language I had ever heard. And from that point on, it seems I began growing at a very fast rate.

Shortly after this, in about February of 2008, I remember leaning at my bed and simply saying, "Lord, I'll do whatever you want me to do!" Now, you have to be careful about that! God WILL have us do WHATEVER! razz

I simply heard one word from the Holy Spirit. He said, "Prophet." My response? "Awesome!...what is that?" I sensed that the Lord chuckled a bit at my response. People claim God is so serious...child, please!! Jesus can be quite crazy at times! And quite hilarious! smile I mean, just look at the Platypus!

Anyways, so from that point on I began learning much about what it was that the prophets did...I've heard various people tell me that prophets are no longer around, and that all gifts have ceased, that we only have the Bible and that any supposed manifestation is of the devil. Here's my problem with those beliefs - they are absolutely false and erroneous. God does not change, has not changed, and never will change. These same gifts are being handed out today. How do I know? I look at the fruit of the person. If it's good, it can't be of satan. Plain and simple.

It wasn't until early 2011 when this gift began really manifesting; since that point, I've seen God say some very amazing things (or heard, rather?). The messages God has given to people have always resulted in them glorifying HIM and they end up getting past whatever stumbling block was before them.

Ultimately, no matter what people try to tell me is Truth, I know that Truth is found if one seeks it out, sometimes in very unconventional places. And all I know is that our God IS God, and that He sent his son into this world to redeem us from our sins. What I do know is that Jesus Christ is God in flesh. All else is up for verification.

Do I still struggle with homosexuality? Of course. What most fail to realize is that this specific struggle CAN'T be overcome with programs, 10 steps, etc. All that stuff is quite legalistic, actually, and if we focus on our sins that we're trying to overcome, we'll actually sin more. We need to keep our focus on Jesus Christ alone. He IS our Righteousness, He IS our holiness, and He IS our salvation (1 Cor 1:30).

so that would mean that even a gay christian would enter heaven?

so it is wrong to be gay. but a gay could enter heaven if they repent of their sins and stop practicing those gay acts... correct?
but i still wonder..there is a celebrity here in my country who believes in God but he is gay and he will not change because he said that that's what he feels. that's what he is and that gay rights should be pursued. he also prayed to God and also kind to fellowmen. so will he enter heaven? it seems like he won't go away with his wicked ways of being gay because as what he said, that's what he is..

and also.. have you read about this kinser scale?
it said that we are born bisexuals and that the introduction of the bible changes human perception.

i can't somewhat understand your post regarding to kinsey.. so you're saying you're not quiet sure if it is true or not?

aw. true. sorry. now i think i get it... we don't have to be bothered whether this celebrity or that is the good role model because as Christians, the one that we should get inspiration from or look up is Jesus Christ! correct? XDD

Well, I think there is a huge difference in your statement there. Being gay is what exactly? - A identity. When a person takes on that identity and allows something to define them other than Christ, then I believe that is wrong. I think that's the entire part of taking up a cross and following Christ.

NO where in scripture does it state that a person that has temptation will go to hell. However, it does say that "it is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what goes out" (Jesus) also it says that "so a man thinks in his heart, so he is." (Proverbs).

Take me for example. I'm a person that struggles with SSA (same sex attractions). However, they do not define who God says I am. If it weren't SSA I'm sure it would be another thing. And just because a person may not struggle with this, doesn't mean that they are more worthy to get into heaven "not for works lest anyone should" brag.

The issue is when someone acts upon temptations. I think that's what most people don't understand. The same would be true of a liar would it not? Do liar's get into heaven? Do those that practice witchcraft, idolatry (example: watch porn) or those that steal??

Most of the time the question then goes something like this....

Being gay is wrong and they go to hell, but lying every once in a while is fine.

Not saying anyone has said that, but we must understand that God doesn't view sin in any shape or form as having more or less evil. Evil is evil in God's sight. Simple as that. The issue then goes along the lines of, do we strive to seek God, to allow God to examine our hearts and direct us?

Anything that goes against God's will, as outlined in scripture is self evident and is sin. I think that's the most important thing to pull out of this conversation.

Am I perfect, no- but is there anyone "here without sin"? "There is none righteous, no not one."