"But our founding fathers were Christian!"

[Meirelle]

"...so we're a Christian nation!"

Um... STFU and GTFO. Our founding fathers were Deists, b***h.

I'm just sick of hearing that excuse, is all.

Discuss. What excuses do you hear that are just so obviously false or dumb that you can't help but let them grate on your nerves?  

[Misumi Kuro]

Not that it matters anyway. They stated "Seperation of Church and State" so you know religion wasn't any of their priorities to begin with. Plus smart people can be wrong on issues they know nothing about. Take Jack Horner for example, just because he's an expert on Hadrosaurs doesn't mean he is an expert on Spinosaurus.

Christians need to fail, like now.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Indeed.

They will, in fact, calm up.

 

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Most of them actually were Christians on a moderate scale. Deism was popular during the era, one must admit, but it is incorrect to say that it was the primary belief of the founding fathers.  

[Levis Pennae]

What I hear a lot is "..under God,..". Since it's in our pledge of allegiance we we must all believe in God. O shut up, it was not in the original pledge, it was added during the Cold War to spite the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union banned all forms of religion as part of communism. I believe it was during the fifties that this was added, but during that era we were all creepy good and super patriotic. So because of this we didn't complain at all about this.  

[Dathu]

They were also chauvinists, racists, and pro-slavery.

Here's to the founding fathers!!! May their out-dated ways of thinking be rivived in the new age!!! stare  

[ProjectOmicron88]

Those who were Christian, however, had the good sense to know that religion is one of many things that should be kept discrete from politics. Even if this was a nation founded on Christian principles, it was also a nation that originally only gave rights to white male landowners. The times, they are a-changin'.  

[Tenth Speed Writer]

Dathu

They were also chauvinists, racists, and pro-slavery.

Here's to the founding fathers!!! May their out-dated ways of thinking be rivived in the new age!!! stare

Well, they were also the ones who felt that we should push the idea of giving citizens some control over their life, and not having to serve a king thousands of miles away who basically treated them as tax machines.

It wasn't all bad.  

[ElenaMason]

Levis Pennae

What I hear a lot is "..under God,..". Since it's in our pledge of allegiance we we must all believe in God. O shut up, it was not in the original pledge, it was added during the Cold War to spite the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union banned all forms of religion as part of communism. I believe it was during the fifties that this was added, but during that era we were all creepy good and super patriotic. So because of this we didn't complain at all about this.

about the "under god" debate, i saw on a show one time just about that very subject and what they were stressing was, it doesnt say under exactly which "god". it could be any particular god pertaining to any culture.

so in reality its like its saying "under our belief". whether this is actually true or not i don't really care because money is money after all. i don't care what it says or who's face is on it as long as it pays the bills.

but they made an interesting point at the same time. don't you think?  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Dathu

They were also chauvinists, racists, and pro-slavery.
Here's to the founding fathers!!! May their out-dated ways of thinking be rivived in the new age!!! stare

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Are you kidding? They were some of the most brilliant thinkers of their time. I am always amazed when I read their work.

They will, in fact, calm up.

 

[Meirelle]

SaintChaos

Levis Pennae

What I hear a lot is "..under God,..". Since it's in our pledge of allegiance we we must all believe in God. O shut up, it was not in the original pledge, it was added during the Cold War to spite the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union banned all forms of religion as part of communism. I believe it was during the fifties that this was added, but during that era we were all creepy good and super patriotic. So because of this we didn't complain at all about this.

about the "under god" debate, i saw on a show one time just about that very subject and what they were stressing was, it doesnt say under exactly which "god". it could be any particular god pertaining to any culture.

so in reality its like its saying "under our belief". whether this is actually true or not i don't really care because money is money after all. i don't care what it says or who's face is on it as long as it pays the bills.

but they made an interesting point at the same time. don't you think?

Hm... You're right. After all, it doesn't say "one nation under Jesus Christ." Although, that would be kind of creepy, and I'm not just saying this as an atheist. I mean... I think of George W. Bush in a white robe, with long hair and a beard. stare  

[EinEinziger]

Oh, I carry a photocopied version of the Treaty of Tripoli in my backpack which goes with me everywhere. I'm like "First sentence, bitches."  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Johnny-Xavier

Oh, I carry a photocopied version of the Treaty of Tripoli in my backpack which goes with me everywhere. I'm like "First sentence, bitches."

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

lol One of my favorites.

They will, in fact, calm up.

 

[ProjectOmicron88]

Johnny-Xavier

Oh, I carry a photocopied version of the Treaty of Tripoli in my backpack which goes with me everywhere. I'm like "First sentence, bitches."

That's it! I was trying to think of which treaty that was the other day, but I kept coming up with Versailles.  

[Baron von Turkeypants]

Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson.

Versailles? That has nothing to do with Muslims.

They will, in fact, calm up.