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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:16 pm
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I hate this argument. I really, really cannot stand it.
I'm in a debate with someone on DeviantART, about how faith relates to morality. He posits that following Christian doctrines always leads to good moral fiber. Not true, says I, and slap him with the Inquisition. But wait, says him, the Inquisition was a Catholic movement, and therefore doesn't count. What the ******** time I checked, Catholicism was a Christian sect. Believing Jesus died on the cross for your sins? Check. Belief in a virgin birth? Check. Bibles? Check. I've seen this argument before, and never got around to asking. Could someone tell me how people make this distinction, when in reality such a distinction shouldn't exist?
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 2:43 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:43 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:44 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:32 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:51 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:52 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:16 pm
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:30 pm
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You can always slap them with the slaughtering of the Anabaptists in Munster, Westphalia, which was carried out by both Catholics and Protestants. Or you can bring up the Peasant's War, in which many Lutherans committed atrocities. Or you could mention the Salem witch trials, in which English-American puritans burned innocent people at the stake.
If you want some examples that are from a time period closer in history, you could bring up that all denominations of Christianity that were popular in the American South supported slavery and racism (many still do). The KKK is a Christian hate group. Almost all Christian churches also contributed to the suppression of women (and the Bible has a whole stack of anti-feminist verses). In fact, many present-day churches forbid women from holding church office or being church leaders. The greatest modern cruelties of nearly all denominations of Christianity (excluding only the very most tolerant branches like Unitarian Universalism) is religious fanatics violent persecutation and abuse of LGBTs (Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, and Trans people) and anyone who is involved in abortion. Radical Christians bomb clinics, kill doctors, beat and lynch LGBTs, and plenty of other things.
That doesn't include all the religious wars between Catholics and Protestants, either. Hell, they're still fighting in Northern Ireland, although they've mostly been behaving since 9/11.
Don't worry about their mediocre defenses of dividing the sects, and focus on how much the Protestants are assholes and wrong, too. You don't need the Inquisition to prove that Christianity hurts people.
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:32 pm
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ProjectOmicron88 lyodpdl I hate that. It's like you want to take them aside and calmly explain that, just like all grasshoppers are insects but all insects are not grasshoppers, so it is with Catholics and Christians. Though I would lay the blame of the inquisition on the fear of an unstable land with two monarchs trying to bring together a shaky country more than Catholicism. Okay, fine, fine, let's put the Inquisition aside. Didn't expect it to be the main point of discussion. My original question: Why do they differentiate between sects like that?
The differentiation between Catholics and Protestants makes some sense, because Protestantism is at its heart a reaction to the corruption, idiocy, and cruelty of the Catholic church (although that last bit is shakey, because none of the Protestant reformers really advocated against religious warfare).
The differentiation between various Protestant sects is usually silly and nearly always ridiculous.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:19 pm
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ProjectOmicron88 lyodpdl I hate that. It's like you want to take them aside and calmly explain that, just like all grasshoppers are insects but all insects are not grasshoppers, so it is with Catholics and Christians. Though I would lay the blame of the inquisition on the fear of an unstable land with two monarchs trying to bring together a shaky country more than Catholicism. Okay, fine, fine, let's put the Inquisition aside. Didn't expect it to be the main point of discussion. My original question: Why do they differentiate between sects like that? Basicaly the protastants believe that the individual person can contact 'God', and you don't need to go to church every week to go to heaven, you just have to believe and pray. The catholics believe that you have to go through the proper channels and ceremonies to speak to 'God', and that you have to be relgious in going to mass.
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:36 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:45 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 10:12 pm
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