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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 1:55 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:42 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:46 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:41 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 6:48 pm
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:54 am
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"Evolution, creationism and other modern myths." Could explain right away what's wrong with it. Altho, it would be a bit dangerous if you don't know your biology... since in the first chapters Deloria bashes, drags and sets on fire our "cool" evolution theory. BUt like i said, the few chapters when he touches the creationism subject, he kills it too.
I guess my own argument would be that:
It's whole basis is made of something that some people have a need for, not necessarily born out of desire to know, but to just have an answer to a question that has riddled them forever. (tho... not really, since they always knew and thought they were "made") It's the answer to a question that wasn't really asked, but now that we have evidence of something else going on, it has become a justification for their beliefs. Then, beliefs and justifications to failed theories* (or gods) have no place in a room that is meant to be full of evidence, tests, and scientific results.
*failed theories = gods here, since they were assumed to be right, but were never tested for accuracy or veracity. Other theories, like spontaneous generation (or abiogenesis, whatever) were disproved rather than failed... since... at their time, their baby-"scientific" methods were observing (every now and then) that frogs and toads did indeed create from puddles of water.
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 7:12 am
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 3:54 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:11 pm
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:18 pm
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Again, ID/Creationism confuses the meaning of "theory" and "hypothesis."
Intelligent Design is not a theory, scientifically speaking, but a hypothesis. One which, one must note with some intense suspicion, is completely untestable. In the realm of science if a theory cannot be tested, it has no possibility of being proven wrong, and if it can't be proven wrong then it's not a valid claim.
It bears the same weight as claims that there is an invisible pink unicorn with us at all times (since she's invisible, you can't see her, since she's a unicorn she can use magic to disappear if you try to test her).
Evolutionary theory, accepted as fact with as much seriousness as gravity (after all, in the space between celestial bodies even gravity apparently breaks down, but we call it a fact and a scientific law), is supported by direct evidence and correlation well beyond "shadow of a doubt" and into the "colossal amounts of corroborating evidence" realm. It can be tested and proven using the same forensic methods that are applied in criminal cases to determine peoples' fate in the judicial system!
If you trust your life, land and law to the power of forensics and reasonable doubt, why is trusting what happened thousands of years ago a more troubling concern?
And as stated earlier, the fallacy of ID is that it assumes that the complex universe was made by a more complex designer while ignoring a very important question; if complex things need a more complex designer why does that more complex designer need no origin at all?
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:32 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:20 pm
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:42 pm
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