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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:46 pm
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Avoir Le Retour... Well, I recently saw an HBO special on PeTA (People for the ethical Treatment of Animals), and Ingrid Newkirk, who I found out was Atheist through the special, and I am contemplating becoming a vegetarian or vegan. I've always been a meat eater, but I've gone three days without eating any meat at all. I'm sure my mom wouldn't mind, but my dad, I'm positive, would find it odd. I don't want my dad to view me as some sort of weirdo, so I'm thinking of kind of laying low on the idea for a while. I'll eat meat when I have to, so as to not bring it up, but I won't eat meat when I don't have to. It's horrible how animals are processed, used, and abused constantly. I love animals too much to want to eat them any longer. I'm sure I will miss the taste, but I find it worth it. So, please, anyone who can lend me some advice, (if you're already a vegetarian or vegan) I would really appreciate it.
Thanks a lot. ...Les Adieux
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:42 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:03 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:20 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:02 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:07 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:05 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:13 pm
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As Zambimaru said, eating meat is a natural part of life. There is nothing wrong with eating what our bodies need. You say that there is no need, but in what sense? Meat is an integral part of the human diet. Sure, it sounds fancy and makes you look intellectual, but there will always be another person to eat the meat you don't! Yes, the meat industry is commercialized for consumers, but people to associate these words with "slaughter" and "inhumane" like the PETA. I'm not saying that some aren't humane, but I am saying that chances are the animals you eat are killed swiftly. Remember, you saw a biased documentary from the PETA themselves. Why not look into how the meat industry words from their perspective? In the end the choice is yours, but before jumping to conclusions I suggest looking into it before making a life-decision. As an atheist, if some one asks why you are a vegetarian you'd love to give thoughtful reasons why, right?
I know it kind of seems like I'm telling you not to, it's just the thinking skills acquired as an atheist should be applied to all opinions and debates that person has. Why just use them for advocating atheism? 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:46 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:22 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:48 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:43 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:09 pm
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:24 pm
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Healer Guy I don't think you "should" or "shouldn't" do anything from a truly absolute standpoint. I've been sort of vegetarian all my life because I was raised vegetarian. I don't like the taste of meat but I will eat fish and dairy products (yeah fish is still sort of a meat I think, but whatever). It's a lot easier on the environment when you don't eat cows. Cows take a lot of resources to breed, grow and feed. Resources being lush rain forest. >_> I hate it how whenever I order a vegetarian pizza and everyone else gets 2 meat pizzas, everyone still wants to eat mine.
If you are not clearing forest for eating raising animals for the consumption of thier meat, than you are clearing forest to grow crops. In reality, growing crops is equally harsh on the environment compared to raising cattle.
Crops require not only a lot of fertilizer, but pesticides, water, and lots of land. That is if you grow it in bulk. That is why if the world went fully vegetarian it would be an ecological disaster.
The only way to effectively balance our need for food is to grow crops and raise animals for consumption. The waste that comes from farms can easily be put to good use by ranchers, and the waste made by ranchers and their animals can be a better alternative for fertilizer when it comes to farming. In fact the manure from cows can be turned into a kind of pot that is good for potted plants that are going to be transfered directly into the ground because the pot can be planted into the ground, and will biodegrade to offer the growing plant nutrients.
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