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Which Elessar do you think Aragorn II received? |
Enerdhil's |
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43% |
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Celebrimbor's |
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Total Votes : 23 |
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:38 pm
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To clarify, this is about the elf-stone, not Aragorn II.
In Unfinished Tales, it says the original Elessar was created by a smith in Gondolin named Enerdhil. He loved all green things that grew, and (in the words of Tolkien) "his greatest joy was to see the sunlight though the leaves of the trees." So he made a gem that had the clear light of the sun imprisoned in it, but it was a green as the leaves. It had miraculous healing powers also. Now Idril bound it on her breast and took it with her at the falling of Gondolin. Then she gave it to Earendil who bound it on his breast and ore it everywhere he went, so as a result, he took it with him when he went to Valinor. Now it says that Olorin (none other than Gandalf!) took it with him when he came to Middle-Earth, and passed it into Galadriel's keeping. Then Galadriel gave it to Aragorn. Now another version says that Celebrimbor, out of his love for Galadriel, wrought her an Elessar, except that its power was less, because the Sun was older that it was in Gondolin's time. Then he set it in a brooch in the shape of an eagle with outstretched wings. Now I always liked to think that Aragorn received the Elessar of Enerdhil, but evidence says that he got the Celebrimbor created. What do you think?
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:24 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 3:53 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2005 4:17 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:28 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:47 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:51 pm
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2005 4:52 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:48 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:53 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:15 pm
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Do any of you have HoME? I do, of course, but it's not with me. But, in case someone does, here's all mentions of an Elessar, be it stone or person, in the HoME Index:
Elessar (The) (VII) Elfstone. 278, 294, 362, 366, 392 Elessar (The) (IXa) Elfstone, Aragorn. 52, 58, 117, 119, 128. See Aragorn. Elessar (VIII) (1) last King of the Line of Anarion. 153. See Earnur. (2) Aragorn. 309, 370, 390, 395, 411, 427. See Elfstone. Elessar (XI) The Elfstone. 177; the Green Stone of Feanor 176-7 Elessar (XII) (1) Rejected name of King Earnur of Gondor. 247 Elessar (XII) (2) Aragorn II. 32, 132, 196, 202-3, 207, 211, 217, 243-4, 246, 253, 255, 258, 261, 268, 410, 419; the Elfstone 243; the Great King 414; Annals, Chronicles of the House of Elessar 243, 245
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:42 am
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Well, so far I've learned that information is on pp. 248 of UT. I'll check there when I'm done checking the HoME references.
HoME XI p. 177: "A new page in the QS manuscript begins with the opening of this paragraph, and at the top of the page my father pencilled: 'The Green Stone of Feanor given by Maidros to Fingon' This can hardly be other than a reference to the Elessar that came in the end of Aragorn....It is clear, I think, that my father was at this time pondering the previous history of the Elessar....for his later ideas on its origin see Unfinished Tales pp. 248-52"
That's the only interesting one, the others are all references to Aragorn himself. Let's check the UT and see what it says now!
Well, my UT obviously isn't the same version it's referring to, considering that at page 248 it's the tale of Aldarion and Erendis. Blerg. TO THE INDEX!
Index: Elessar(1): "A great green jewel of healing power made in Gondolin for Idril Turgon's daughter, who gave it to Earendil her son; the Elessar that Arwen gave to Aragorn being either Earendil's jewel returned or another."
Unfinished Tales p. 322 (of my copy, at least) "In ages after there was again an Elessar, and of this two things are said, though which is true only those Wise could say who now are gone."
And then it gives both stories. So I guess it's open to interpretation.
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2005 9:37 am
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Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:37 pm
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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:15 am
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