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 Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:14 pm
I just cant decide. I've had numerous people tell me its safe to go into Education. But my heart is in performance. I just cant see myself as a band director or something, I just couldnt do it. I want to play not teach. I dont want to do performace though if im going to be out of luck and cant find a job. O_o
Yet at the same time im considering getting my PHD in oboe and trying to become an oboe professor at a college.
ugghhh What to do, what to do. stressed
Anyone else unsure, or were unsure? What are you guy's thoughts?
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:20 pm
I know what you mean. I can't decide either. Performance for me can be really scary but now i have all my professors urging me to get out there, put myself in public more. I was thinking education but sometimes i just can't see myself teaching piano to a bunch of little kids that would have no interest. Teaching take some real patience too and a little low on that. yeah, i dunno... well i've got a year or so to figure it out before i transfer. smile
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:50 am
So here's the thing. For me, at least, getting a degree in education rather than performance means that I have 1 less semester than performance majors to take primary lessons. To make up for that, I took a summer semester of lessons, and now I'll have just as much training as a vocal performance major when I get out of school.
The reason I chose to major in education over performance is because you can audition all you want, be as talented as humanly possible, and you might not get a role just because you're too tall or your hair's not just right or you don't fit their image of the part, etc. It isn't like this so much with instrumentalists, but I promise you, it's all politics. If you're a bit better than another guy trying to get the same spot, but he knows the owner of the performance venue or the conductor or whatever, you might not get it. If you major in education, you will never be without a job. You get certified then and there, and if you hit a dry run with your performance, you can go teach.
Basically; anyone can audition for a spot in the same orchestra or opera you're trying out for, performance major or not. Not everyone can get a teaching job, because it requires certification. Also note that you can teach at a smaller high school, or an art institute, or privately. You won't be teaching crowds of little kids unless you go into elementary or middle school music. I'm going into middle or high school choir teaching, but that's not going to stop me from auditioning for the same roles performance majors are trying out for.
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:44 pm
Most of the time the Education tract is if your planning to be a music teacher like in a high school where you have to teach multiple instruments. If you just want to focus on one go performance because even if you can't find work performing you can alway teach that instrument. Most of your single instrument music instrutors are not music education majors if they even went to college. My piano teacher is one for example he teaches piano to a few students plays in resturants bars etc and has another part time job that idk what it is. all this even though he is considered one of the top 5 pianists in the state.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 1:05 am
Ryoukai So here's the thing. For me, at least, getting a degree in education rather than performance means that I have 1 less semester than performance majors to take primary lessons. To make up for that, I took a summer semester of lessons, and now I'll have just as much training as a vocal performance major when I get out of school. The reason I chose to major in education over performance is because you can audition all you want, be as talented as humanly possible, and you might not get a role just because you're too tall or your hair's not just right or you don't fit their image of the part, etc. It isn't like this so much with instrumentalists, but I promise you, it's all politics. If you're a bit better than another guy trying to get the same spot, but he knows the owner of the performance venue or the conductor or whatever, you might not get it. If you major in education, you will never be without a job. You get certified then and there, and if you hit a dry run with your performance, you can go teach. Basically; anyone can audition for a spot in the same orchestra or opera you're trying out for, performance major or not. Not everyone can get a teaching job, because it requires certification. Also note that you can teach at a smaller high school, or an art institute, or privately. You won't be teaching crowds of little kids unless you go into elementary or middle school music. I'm going into middle or high school choir teaching, but that's not going to stop me from auditioning for the same roles performance majors are trying out for. You make a really good point. And yes it's not what you know but who you know.
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:00 pm
While I didn't do an education degree (here, in order to teach at public schools, you must have a 3/4 year bachelor's degree plus a 1-2 year education bachelor's degree to qualify), I went into the stream that had more emphasis on education for my music degree. Why? Because when reality kicks in, chances are you'll be making money in teaching moreso than performing, at least in the beginning. And keep in mind, even if you do education, there's nothing stopping you from taking performance courses/engaging in performance activities.
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Posted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:03 pm
Wings And keep in mind, even if you do education, there's nothing stopping you from taking performance courses/engaging in performance activities. My point exactly smile
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 7:27 am
Ok, so here is my opinion and please before you tare me apart, it is just pure opinion and not fact. Some of us as musicians are very good at performance and love doing it, but we aren't very good at explaining what we are doing, what we want, or simply teaching people music. Others of us like to perform, but we find more joy in sharing music with other people by showing them how to do it, and teaching them. I think that a person should go with what they are naturally skilled at and build upon those skills. Talent alone is good, but talent trained, a refined is what sets people apart. Again it is only my opinion. I have been asked why I would risk my future on a career that may not happen, and I always have to stick with the answer, I have to be myself, and I a get frustrated with people when they don't understand what I am saying. I am obviously not a teacher. I do however love taking the stage and making things come to life for my audience!
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Posted: Sun May 24, 2009 5:24 pm
IkaruTiger Ok, so here is my opinion and please before you tear me apart, it is just pure opinion and not fact. Some of us as musicians are very good at performance and love doing it, but we aren't very good at explaining what we are doing, what we want, or simply teaching people music. Others of us like to perform, but we find more joy in sharing music with other people by showing them how to do it, and teaching them. I think that a person should go with what they are naturally skilled at and build upon those skills. Talent alone is good, but talent trained, a refined is what sets people apart. Again it is only my opinion. I have been asked why I would risk my future on a career that may not happen, and I always have to stick with the answer, I have to be myself, and I a get frustrated with people when they don't understand what I am saying. I am obviously not a teacher. I do however love taking the stage and making things come to life for my audience! I agree with you. We really need to be who we are, and do what were good at.
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Posted: Fri May 29, 2009 11:43 am
IkaruTiger Ok, so here is my opinion and please before you tare me apart, it is just pure opinion and not fact. Some of us as musicians are very good at performance and love doing it, but we aren't very good at explaining what we are doing, what we want, or simply teaching people music. Others of us like to perform, but we find more joy in sharing music with other people by showing them how to do it, and teaching them. I think that a person should go with what they are naturally skilled at and build upon those skills. Talent alone is good, but talent trained, a refined is what sets people apart. Again it is only my opinion. I have been asked why I would risk my future on a career that may not happen, and I always have to stick with the answer, I have to be myself, and I a get frustrated with people when they don't understand what I am saying. I am obviously not a teacher. I do however love taking the stage and making things come to life for my audience! It's a very good point. In my case, I just had the opportunity to have as much training as a performance major and still get certified to teach, so that's what I went for.
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Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 3:46 am
Personally I'll just do both. Piano pedagogy is required for the performance major anyways x] why not make use of it. Obviously this would mean that I'm focusing in performance though. Hopefully I'll be able to perform for a number of years then make a comfortable transition to more teaching, with less emphasis on performance. If I teach...hopefully it will be specifically as a piano teacher at a university. I don't think I could teach high school kiddos x_x much less direct a band.
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:59 pm
I think it's very possible to do both performance and education.
If you're a professional player, everyone will want lessons from you.
If you're a teacher, you might do performance gigs on the side.
Music is a pretty flexible career.
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:45 am
`Kel` I just cant decide. I've had numerous people tell me its safe to go into Education. But my heart is in performance. I just cant see myself as a band director or something, I just couldnt do it. I want to play not teach. I dont want to do performace though if im going to be out of luck and cant find a job. O_o Yet at the same time im considering getting my PHD in oboe and trying to become an oboe professor at a college. ugghhh What to do, what to do. stressed Anyone else unsure, or were unsure? What are you guy's thoughts? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can get a PhD in Oboe Performance. Or in any instrumental/vocal performance. I think you mean a DMA (Doctor of Musical Arts). A PhD is a research degree that is reserved for more academic subjects, like musicology. People still have to call you "Dr." with a DMA though. 3nodding The two degrees are not really all that different though - only to picky people like me. sweatdrop I think that as long as we are all pursuing careers in music, it's gonna be tough and I think it's just as difficult to get Music Education jobs as is it performance jobs. There are really not that many openings for "high school band director" as people think there are. It's like earning a spot in an orchestra - once you get it, you stay there. For a long time. (Unless, of course, something much more awesome comes up, which you can't bet on in music.) And especially with the failing economy and cuts being made to arts programs in schools, Music Education isn't really the safety zone it used to be. I know I sound like a negative nancy, but I think there is some worth in trying to be realistic. I'm going into performance myself - I just graduated with a double major in music and another (not wildly useful) major, and I'll be attending a conservatory in the fall for an MA program. It's so wonderful to be doing what I love, but also a little scary to think that I may not have the job opportunities that I dream of after I get my degree. So after all of that word vomit, what I'm trying to say is that it's ALL risky business, folks. Both Performance and Education.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:01 pm
Well, the way I see it you should go on the safe route and become a teacher, that doesn't mean that you have to stop gigging. If your career as a musician starts to take off then feel free to leave the school and pursue your dream smile
This is only an opinion though..
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:48 pm
if you do education then you are helping ppl with music, you are making them learn alot more ablut music
but it is your choice
do wat you want to do
if you love to preform, then you should stick with that then
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