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 Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:44 am
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:46 am
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[Philosophy In A Teacup] Crew
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:39 pm
I've always found it easy to reconcile my love for Pokemon with my Christian faith, but as I was reading yours I started to create my own little legends to combine the two. sweatdrop I'm not sure if you want to hear them, though.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:07 pm
Little Rachael I've always found it easy to reconcile my love for Pokemon with my Christian faith, but as I was reading yours I started to create my own little legends to combine the two. sweatdrop I'm not sure if you want to hear them, though.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:57 pm
I always had all the legends as gods and goddesses, each one over a different sphere. As I get new access to legends, I add more gods. It's like a Greek Pantheon--but without all that dysfunction and sleeping with birds. It also explains why they're hard to find, hard to "catch", and don't breed. After all--they're GODS.
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Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 1:06 am
*blushes and coughs a little* Well, okay. In the beginning, when God created the earth, all was well. The world was a paradise, a land of plenty, where people and animals lived in peace and harmony. However, many humans began to forget their creator, as well as the few laws given to them. They were gluttonous, greedy, prideful, with no love for their fellow man or for God's other creations, the animals that walked the earth. Many of the animals, in turn, became ferocious and killed many of the humans, so that enmity grew between man and beast. So God sent a great flood to destroy the earth. But before the heavens opened to leash disaster upon the earth, God's final and greatest creation, Mew, appeared before him. "My Lord," she said, "do you really wish to destroy all the people you have created? Do you not love your creation as your children? Please, I beg of you, do not destroy the good as well as the evil." God pondered this for many days, and finally, called Mew to him. "My child," he said, "I have decided to leave this world and start again. The humans who have done wrong will be sent to a new earth, one that is more like hell than heaven. They will have to learn for themselves how difficult life without me can be...but I still will need to watch over them and guide their way. I leave this paradise to you." God then took the animals and most of the humans with them to the second world, which is the world we live in. The other world was left to Mew, who birthed a new race of animals, animals which would be the friends and companions to the good humans left. These animals came to be known as Pokemon. (From which the words "pocket" and "monster" are derived. ;p) ...It's not very good, but I made most of this up just about 20 minutes ago, so bear with me here. sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:12 am
Thats a pretty good legend. And it fits a bit too seeing how peaceful the pokemon world seems compared to ours.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:49 pm
The Legend of Houou and Lugia: Connections to Shinto and Buddhist origin
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by Sui; with guidance and help from Lugia909 and SD Pokemom
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Houou and Lugia, the two Legendary Pokemon, are essentially two sides of the same coin. They complement and oppose each other. Though their opposition to each other is in their blood, they are seen as partners in many instances. They are the Dragon and the Phoenix.
Lugia arose the trio of Legendary Birds from the sea. Houou arouse the trio of Legendary Beasts from the ashes. Lugia rules over the Legendaries that fly, as Houou rules over the Legendaries of the land. They are Day and Night; Dawn and Dusk; Light and Dark.
The Phoenix, naturally having the cycle of death and rebirth in its blood, used this power in its sorrow over their deaths to raise the three nameless creatures that perished within the chaos of the Brass Tower fire. They were embodied with the three elements that had each worked one in one to fulfill their destiny. Thunder, Fire, and Water.
Suicune is the spirit of the Northern Winds. Entei is spirit of the Southern Winds. Raikou is spirit of the Western Winds. And Houou is guardian of the Eastern Winds. Such as their Legendary counterparts of the cardinal directions: Articuno with the North. Moltres with the South. Zapdos with the West. And Lugia, guardian of the East. Houou and Lugia are both in the East; two sides of the same coin indeed.
"Possibly, but at the same time there's an interesting thing in that Lugia (who resides under the sea) rules over three things which fly. Also, Ho-oh, which flies, rules over three similarly-elemental kami of the land." (Lugia909)
Ryujin (Umi no kami): "The sea kami born of Izanagi and Izanami; father of Toyotamabime. The element 'watatsumi' designates a kami that rules the sea. In the Kojiki Izanagi's purification results in the production of three such sea gods: Uwatsuwatatsumi, Nakatsuwatatsumi, and Sokotsuwatatsumi."
Note that in the original Japanese version of the second movie, Lugia is referred to as the "umi no kami", while the birds are "kouri no kami" (god of ice), "kaminari no kami" (god of thunder), and "hi no kami" (god of fire).
Houou and Lugia are essentially the two sides of the same coin; they are the 'Dragon' and the 'Phoenix'.
Kannon & Monju.
"In that case, there was only one tower in which priests communicated with Ho-oh (or better, the original wording 'Hou-ou', which means "Lord of the Dharma" if you run it thru a Buddhist translation database). The tower, in a sense, was something of a point of
mediation between the world of Man and the Divine (which, of course, 4Kids filters out to keep from enraging rightwing types, etc). Apparently there was a conflict between rival priesthoods, one of which wished to possess Hou-ou and his power for themselves. In the ensuing chaos, the tower burned. In the conflagration, three Pokemon were killed, and Hou-ou was so filled with sadness and shame over all that had happened that he resurrected these Pokemon as the three Legendaries before retreating from this world. The Legendaries were sent to Earth to do Hou-ou's bidding and to watch over mankind to await the day that the hearts of man and Pokemon were harmonized as one. As for the tower, it was rebuilt, but was never reoccupied by Hou-ou although it housed the 36 bells (32 metal, 4 crystal) which were the only relics from the original tower and which were supposed to sound upon Hou-ou's return. The only time any of them sounded, though, was when the crystal bells were stolen by Team Rocket, one of which was smashed accidentally setting off a rather ugly chain of events in which Suicune had to intervene."
-Lugia909
Spherical Arrangement: A Lugia909 Theory
While Houou is 'up', Lugia is 'down', which comes from their apparent placement. ('Down' is the sea, 'up' is the heavens, etc.) Then, the three birds and the three dogs can be assembled into a pair of triangular arrangements: Fire/Thunder/Ice or Water; Red/Yellow/Blue. The birds can be placed above the beasts. Then, you can rotate one triangle so that they're offset; one blue point on one side, the other 180 degrees opposite. When done, what you get looking along the 'side' of the sphere arrangement are a continuous series of the same triangles: Red/Yellow/Blue infinitely. This also resembles a prism. Now, Houou is the 'Rainbow' and Lugia is 'White', so if you consider the effect of light refracting from a prism...well, you get the idea.
And ultimately, since this is dealing with Shinto deities, both the 'Rainbow' and 'White' are created by the Sun. Looking down, this could resemble a six-point star, but made up of triangles set apart in three dimensions.
At the center, one would expect to find 'life.' There are a trio of Legendaries there as well: Deoxys could be concidered the 'originator'; Celebi the 'sustainer'; and Mew, the 'destroyer.' This, as Lugia put it, is a bit of an oversimplication, as you take a look at Groudon/Kyogre, which could be the 'destructive forces', meditated into dormancy by Rayquaza, while Latias/Latios are the guardians over the whole arrangement.
I sincerely thank Lugia909 and SD Pokemom for sharing their theories and ideas, and opening my mind up more for the theories I can soon discover...
The Three Principles: As said by Tsubaki Ohkami Yashiro/Tsubaki Grand Shrine of America
As we remember that Houou rests in the Heavens, the dogs and birds on the Earth, and Lugia in the Sea (the vertical 'arrangement' theory), let us take a look at some more insight in Shinto belief.
Amaterasu O Kami is the deity of the Sun, among the three important parts of the cosmoligical dimension of existance. The Sun is the source of life, growth, and creativity, and without its heat, power, and energy, life simply cannot exist. Therefore, the universe is dependant upon the primal force of the Sun. It symbolizes destiny, the past, mirror, will, beauty.
Tsukuyomi-no-mikoto is the Kami of the Moon. The Moon is the guardian of the night, the time of silent growth and development; the necessary complement to the day. The Moon symbolizes these in its cycle: the New Moon, the Half Moon, and the Full Moon. The Moon waxes and wanes as does life in the process of growth. Shinrabansho, or everything in nature, depends on the growth time of the Moon, just as everything depends on the light and power of the Sun. It symbolizes life, the present, jewel, virtue, emotion.
Susanoo-no-mikoto, the deity of the Stars, was given authority over the vastness of the ocean, unabara. Without water, the earth cannot live. The ebb and flow of life is under a higher mediation, and the destiny of man is that mediation. It symbolizes mission, the future, sword, truth, intellect.
These three, the deities of the Sun, Moon, and Stars, are called san-ko, the three lights and their existance fundamental for all forms of life.
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Yep, longwinded. ^^; It seems fragmented since they're notes, but you should see what I see in it.
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:36 pm
I really like the bit about the spherical arrangement and how you can go from a rainbow to white light via the whole prism thing. Very nice 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:51 pm
Little Rachael *blushes and coughs a little* Well, okay. In the beginning, when God created the earth, all was well. The world was a paradise, a land of plenty, where people and animals lived in peace and harmony. However, many humans began to forget their creator, as well as the few laws given to them. They were gluttonous, greedy, prideful, with no love for their fellow man or for God's other creations, the animals that walked the earth. Many of the animals, in turn, became ferocious and killed many of the humans, so that enmity grew between man and beast. So God sent a great flood to destroy the earth. But before the heavens opened to leash disaster upon the earth, God's final and greatest creation, Mew, appeared before him. "My Lord," she said, "do you really wish to destroy all the people you have created? Do you not love your creation as your children? Please, I beg of you, do not destroy the good as well as the evil." God pondered this for many days, and finally, called Mew to him. "My child," he said, "I have decided to leave this world and start again. The humans who have done wrong will be sent to a new earth, one that is more like hell than heaven. They will have to learn for themselves how difficult life without me can be...but I still will need to watch over them and guide their way. I leave this paradise to you." God then took the animals and most of the humans with them to the second world, which is the world we live in. The other world was left to Mew, who birthed a new race of animals, animals which would be the friends and companions to the good humans left. These animals came to be known as Pokemon. (From which the words "pocket" and "monster" are derived. ;p) ...It's not very good, but I made most of this up just about 20 minutes ago, so bear with me here. sweatdrop Thats pretty good 4laugh espeshaly for 20 mins n-n *hug* heart
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Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:54 pm
Woah... eek
That's some stuff. I have nothing to add to that, nothing to aid. I can't counter any of them, and...Satoshi Tajiri needs to make a compendium for all the pokemon world data and stuff, Wikipedia isn't enough.
Edit: Though basing any new places off of real world places would follow the theme. Kanto=Kanto, Johto=Kansai, Orre=desert in Arizona, Hoenn=Kyushu. Following that, give it a go and hope that somone at Nintendo copies your stuff.
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:07 am
Nice legends.
Honestly I never put much thought into the legndaries.
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Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2006 8:24 pm
Sui, you're brilliant. biggrin
Except for just one thing:
"Deoxys could be concidered the 'originator'; Celebi the 'sustainer'; and Mew, the 'destroyer.'
Shouldn't Mew and Deoxys be the other way around?
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Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:44 pm
Scathach13 Sui, you're brilliant. biggrin Except for just one thing: "Deoxys could be concidered the 'originator'; Celebi the 'sustainer'; and Mew, the 'destroyer.' Shouldn't Mew and Deoxys be the other way around? I agree it does seem like they got switched around confused
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:52 pm
I made a legendary once, when I was little. though, if anything, it was a "modern" legendary based on the conspiracy of "Pika-blue" (Remember that? Way back when everyone thought there was a Pokemon called Pika-Blue and it was a water-typed Pikachu? It turned out to be Marill though. >.<)
So I decided that not all legendaries had to be creatures of ancient past, and that the legends were happening even in modern day. I laugh about ti when i think back now, because it was lacking creativity. But hey, I was also a 9 year old in 4th grade. Still, my little creation is close to my heart.
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