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 Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:31 pm
Why do you think religion exists or have existed?
Mine comes to two possible abilities.
1.
Stan: DUDE!
Kyle: Yeah?
Stan: I'm bored.
Kyle: I got an idea...
Kyle: Let's ******** with people's minds and make them worship us.
Stan: How?
Kyle: Let's base it on what people hate. People don't like death, so let's have anti-death.
Stan: Immortality?
Kyle: Emo-what?
Stan: Nevermind...
Kyle: Anyway, by fooling them into believing this, we will create laws on how to obtain it.
Stan: Sounds awesome! But why would they believe?
Kyle: Well...It contains anti-death and objects science.
Stan: I see....but I don't think this will be popular. People will catch on.
Kyle: History is doomed to repeat, my friend.
And so it has as shown in history.
My other theory is this.
2.
Gherrod: Life sucks. We are lucky to live 20 years, that isn't much.
Furfur: What if we were immortal?
Gherrod: Emo-or-
Furfur: Shut up. >.>
Gherrod: Ok......
Furfur: Anyway, there MUST be some kind of super-being existing somewhere around here that created us.
Gherrod: Why?
Furfur: Why not?
Gherrod: Good point, but if he created us then who created him or her?
Furfur: I don't care, don't get so detailed. Anyway, sounds reasonable enough. Slab some laws onto it and give " IT " a name and we are in for sure.
Gherrod: Sounds....logical?
Not as good as the first but it will do.
Anyway, discuss what you think was the reason in the creation of religion and if it was based on hypocrisy, sin, whatever.
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:06 pm
So not to be nit-picky, Origion arrow Origin.
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:41 pm
Mrithyu So not to be nit-picky, Origion arrow Origin. GAH!!! Just noticed that. Sorry. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:02 pm
haha that's sound about right =]
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Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 2:47 pm
Argument 2 sounds more likely.
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 1:24 pm
Well, both arguments are actually showing the reason many religions were estabilished. I personally have no problem with anti-death thing, but all those laws flying around it are irritating like mayflies.
I only have one, small, tiny objection: how immortality opposes science? What about zombies then? I believe they're out there... stare
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:34 pm
Raticiel Well, both arguments are actually showing the reason many religions were estabilished. I personally have no problem with anti-death thing, but all those laws flying around it are irritating like mayflies. I only have one, small, tiny objection: how immortality opposes science? What about zombies then? I believe they're out there... stare
Oh, your out-classed in this field. Technically, zombies MIGHT be able to exist. However, they wont be considered undead. They might appear mostly by a disease like wide-spread mutated rabies or some possible disease. 100 new diseases are created every day.
Zombies aren't medically possible but infected are. :
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 8:53 pm
I think that at least as far as Christianity began, it was all a bunch of stories taken from the Egyptians reformed into the stories about jesus and a bunch of laws they made up to keep people under their thumb, it didn't take much back then to hold people to one believe, especially if all you had to do was kill them for saying something against you.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:11 am
Jester the Nightmare I think that at least as far as Christianity began, it was all a bunch of stories taken from the Egyptians reformed into the stories about jesus and a bunch of laws they made up to keep people under their thumb, it didn't take much back then to hold people to one believe, especially if all you had to do was kill them for saying something against you. Don't forget about ancient Greece. Besides religions were made in many places on Earth.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:16 am
Captain_Shinzo Raticiel Well, both arguments are actually showing the reason many religions were estabilished. I personally have no problem with anti-death thing, but all those laws flying around it are irritating like mayflies. I only have one, small, tiny objection: how immortality opposes science? What about zombies then? I believe they're out there... stare
Oh, your out-classed in this field. Technically, zombies MIGHT be able to exist. However, they wont be considered undead. They might appear mostly by a disease like wide-spread mutated rabies or some possible disease. 100 new diseases are created every day.
Zombies aren't medically possible but infected are. : Medicine outdates quickly. It can evolve in a visible way even a few times per a Dr House episode. A disease? I think it's a modification of your vital status rather than a sickness (which is something accidental).
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:36 pm
With a disease, however, anything is possible.
Vital status couldn't be involved because
A. A body can't move without the most important of organs.
B. It's either possibly accidental or the modification of a disease which is more considered biological. A zombie doesn't make sense considering you have to destroy the brain, but what about the heart, lungs, ect...?
I mean, it makes no sense.
An infected human has more sensible reason to exist.
Also, I don't think you can modify vital status.
VITAL status deals with life and death. If something is dead, that is it.
This is because something was modified in the body t where the organs can no longer function properly to keep the body moving.
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Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:37 pm
With a biological attribute, it has the possibility of taking over the brain to change the nature of the human like rabies does.
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Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:06 pm
Most things you say are right but the problematic thing is a definition of being dead. If that means "brain death" and all organs that are controlled by it are "dead" then it's alright. But brain isn't actually that necessary. Body can move (at least for some short time) even if head is removed. If there's a power source the zombie can go on. Like a robot or something.
If it is a sickness then what the hell it is like to be a zombie? (haha, the question is still alive xd reminds me of one of my zombie-problem-addicted proffesors wink ) sorry I pulled out that topic anyway, but if you could comment more I'd be kind of grateful mrgreen (isn't that offtopic? sweatdrop )
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:44 pm
However, that is not the case. For a human to live, he must have a brain. He doesn't flop on the table if it is removed. The brain sends shocks into the nerves to preform movement. Without that, the body is useless.
Also, you need a heart to live for the circulation of blood WHICH keeps the brain going. Organs have to work to use the energy that is in the body MEANING the body must be working along with the brain.
Here is the keyword I found flawed in your sentence. Power source.
From where I might ask?
The disease is to create a zombie-LIKE being, not an actual zombie.
( Eh, off topic, maybe. But I don't care. )
Continuing, the body can't move on it's own even for a short amount of time. The brain acts like a control panel so even if it COULD move for a short amount of time, it wouldn't be willingly and not to violent.
Again, the keyword is power source. You NEED a power source for this to work and that can't happened without the brain.
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:39 pm
Captain_Shinzo However, that is not the case. For a human to live, he must have a brain. He doesn't flop on the table if it is removed. The brain sends shocks into the nerves to preform movement. Without that, the body is useless.
Also, you need a heart to live for the circulation of blood WHICH keeps the brain going. Organs have to work to use the energy that is in the body MEANING the body must be working along with the brain.
Here is the keyword I found flawed in your sentence. Power source.
From where I might ask?
The disease is to create a zombie-LIKE being, not an actual zombie.
( Eh, off topic, maybe. But I don't care. )
Continuing, the body can't move on it's own even for a short amount of time. The brain acts like a control panel so even if it COULD move for a short amount of time, it wouldn't be willingly and not to violent.
Again, the keyword is power source. You NEED a power source for this to work and that can't happened without the brain. But why do you think it couldn't have an alternatave power source? Come on, we're talking about zombies. I take the body, with a dead brain, dead heart and so on. I can put something inside that can work as something that will move it. I can do it from outside, be like a puppet master. Perhaps it's not moving on it's own will, but what in the world actually does? It's always determined by it's biology, even we, wonderfully so-called free humans are moving without willing it sometimes. (at least some parts of our bodies do). Besides the brain death doesn't have to be the sign a human is dead. There are cases that show cells are still alive. Even our gorgeous medicine have several definitions of "death". Unfortunately I can't give you any trusted english-language sources... And even if everything is dead in that poor body, if I claim it's a zombie, then it's obvious it's dead and somehow acting like being alive. If it was a disease than what kind of zombie is that?
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