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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:12 pm
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Greetings atheists (and whoever else...!),
With the recent launch of the NZABC (New Zealand Atheist Bus Campaign), there has been quite a lot of attention being given to atheists in NZ media - or rather, Christians' reactions to atheists. If you're not aware, the atheist bus campaign began in the UK, and basically aims to spread awareness of atheist and humanist approaches to life with the slogan "There's probably no god. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life" being shown on the sides of buses.
As you can probably imagine, this has caused a bit of a stir in NZ, just like everywhere else that the campaign has reached. The main point that struck me about the debates over the campaign is that many religious people seem to believe that this is an example of "fundamentalist atheism", or some sort of "extremist atheism" - that is, that we are being unreasonably harsh in trying to spread our 'good news'. Hmm, sound familiar?
I'd like to know what you think about this. I personally think it's about time New Zealand's atheists were heard, and I don't think there is a negative aspect to the campaign at all. If we were going to address issues of extremism, offence and brainwashing, I think that the Christians would have a lot to answer for, first.
~Ana
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:20 pm
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:41 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:20 am
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:05 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:31 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:02 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:05 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:06 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:11 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:23 pm
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Distorted_Image Captain_Shinzo I want to see something like this:
* Atheism > Religion: Incorrect Atheism < Religion: Incorrect Religion = Atheism: Correct!!! No one is sure, not even agnostics. Just go with it *
or something around that. I like this because it doesn't EXACTLY slander anyone. It just tells people to not try to bash others beliefs but to just believe in your own. Anti-war thing, ya know what I mean? :3 But it's illogical. The only way we can agree is say, you have this and I have that and we can tolerate it. The "=" is incredibly off-putting to me, as it is illogical to assume there's a God without any sort of evidence. Then again, my idea clashes because I think no one can no and it's silly to lie about it. So I don't see the point in believing in crap like that, especially since "God" is a human concept. Sorry, I just don't like sugar-coating. I'll admit the message for the Atheist Bus Campaign will make some people cry, but everything is controversial if you allow it. It can't be "offensive" though, and it's not saying "******** you". "Probably" doesn't lead to arrogance. >W< Illogical? You just said everything in an illogical manner. D: I stated that because religious wars and prejudism are caused the idea in superior belief, the idea of excepting ones OWN belief and not caring for others is needed. I'm not saying to be an Atheist, agnostic, or religious believer. I'm stating that what you believe is cool, so go somewhere instead of preaching to me. >O>
Think, I see signs that say " Trust God " everywhere. But would it be better making signs saying " ******** God. "?
The point is trying to get things equal and meld everyone together, love others because of difference. Not hate them
=W=
I don't give a s**t about censor-ships. Actually, I hate them. But the idea isn't to sugar coat it. No belief superiority is the idea. :
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:49 pm
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:54 pm
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 2:50 am
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Captain_Shinzo Distorted_Image But it's illogical. The only way we can agree is say, you have this and I have that and we can tolerate it. The "=" is incredibly off-putting to me, as it is illogical to assume there's a God without any sort of evidence. Then again, my idea clashes because I think no one can no and it's silly to lie about it. So I don't see the point in believing in crap like that, especially since "God" is a human concept. Sorry, I just don't like sugar-coating. I'll admit the message for the Atheist Bus Campaign will make some people cry, but everything is controversial if you allow it. It can't be "offensive" though, and it's not saying "******** you". "Probably" doesn't lead to arrogance. >W< Illogical? You just said everything in an illogical manner. D: I stated that because religious wars and prejudism are caused the idea in superior belief, the idea of excepting ones OWN belief and not caring for others is needed. I'm not saying to be an Atheist, agnostic, or religious believer. I'm stating that what you believe is cool, so go somewhere instead of preaching to me. >O>
Think, I see signs that say " Trust God " everywhere. But would it be better making signs saying " ******** God. "?
The point is trying to get things equal and meld everyone together, love others because of difference. Not hate them
=W=
I don't give a s**t about censor-ships. Actually, I hate them. But the idea isn't to sugar coat it. No belief superiority is the idea. : To a certain extent, I agree with Distorted_Image. Honestly, there is nothing more frustrating to me than when I am trying to having an intellectual, thoughtful discussion with somebody religious and they say "Look, just let me have my beliefs and I'll let you have yours, what's wrong with letting us believe what we want if we're not starting wars?". I'm sorry, but if reason is always to be sacrificed in favour of everybody feeling warm and fuzzy inside, then I'd rather have conflict with at least some possibility of a positive end. I don't believe that atheism = religion, I'm fairly certain that no religious person really believes that atheism = religion, and so long as moderate religion is allowed to be the foundation for more extremist actions, why not let moderate atheism be the foundation for extremist reason? razz
In other words, I don't think this campaign is genuinely offensive or extreme. It's just because it's a perspective that the public hasn't really encountered before, that we're quick to assume offence. C'mon, the religious nuts could do with a good reality check.
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Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:12 am
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