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ScarletFrost
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:00 am


I'm currently taking an Ethics class on my way to get a degree in English Lit. This week, we're discussing Hate Speech and the First Amendment right of Freedom of Speech, Press, and Expression. (It's a doozy.)

It's amazing what people have tried to defend with the First Amendment; everything from "fighting words" in bars to distributing "hateful" reading material to burning crosses. Some has been successfully defended, some has been completely thrown out of court. So, how far do you think the First Amendment should go?

A cool quote from the assigned article: Speech that deeply offends our morality or is hostile to our way of life warrants the same constitutional protection as other speech because the right of free speech is indivisible: when one of us is denied this right, all of us are denied.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:21 am


I say if you want to say something, say it. I am in the military to protect people's rights. Many men have gone before me to pave the roads so that people can and do say things that are unkind even to those who give them their right. But then there are the folks who say beautiful things that take away our pain such as amazing musical artists. If you want to say something without physically affecting another being do it. If you cross that threshold however and break that persons right to speaking freely then your rights stop there.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:57 pm


I don't necessarily think the military is in the interest of protecting people's rights, but I respect your decision, King.

That said, this needs to be judged on a case-by-case basis.
Absolutism in legislation here can't be done. It's not realistic; it won't work.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 6:54 am


I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.


I don't know who I just quoted.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:55 pm


i have alway believed that the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me" to be completely false. words hurt. words are dangerous. language is a powerfull tool, and with it we make realities.

however, i also would never try to take away a person's legal right to say whatever words he wants.

i would, however, establish laws to protect people from hate crimes, as well as provide services for victims of such hate-speach as they might recieve. it isn't perfect, but it seems that perfection in this case is impossible to account for. the only thing that would truely stop it is if nobody WANTED to be hatefull.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:27 am


Vengeful Elegance
I do not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.


I don't know who I just quoted.


Evelyn Beatrice Hall, summarizing Voltaire's beliefs.

Now to throw in one of my favorite quotes pertaining to the subject: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin.

Those who want to limit free speech, simply put, do not deserve it. Just because many people don't want to hear hateful things doesn't mean the government should tell people what they can and can't say. The choice belongs to the people. If they choose to make their lives and others worse with their words, remember this: they are making their life worse by filling it with hate instead of compassion. Hate makes everything worse. Don't fall into it like they have. And that's all I have to say for now.

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ScarletFrost
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:56 am


When I visited San Diego a few years ago, I saw this truck that literally made me almost vomit. It was covered in larger-than-life pictures of aborted fetuses--not the ones you find in medical journals, but the ones you find in Mexican clinics. I felt that this bordered on public indecency.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:48 pm


:shudders at the thought of seeing that, as i get queezy at dead babies.: crying sad

anywho, i have recently had much better environment to think on this subject.

while i dislike the tea party members of the Republican Party for their overall stupidity, they do stand for some good ideas... i think Rand Paul made some decent points, even if they had flaws.

this also ties in with some Muslims i had been talking to about concerning the episode of Southpark where all th ecelebrities wanted Muhammud's power to not be mocked. the Muslims i was talking to were all extremely angry at the show, and wanted to censor everything, and were even backing up the group of Muslim highschool students that made death threats to Comedy Central for it. the whole ending speach of the show was censored despite the producers' insistance not to censor it, because Comedy Central was afraid of being sued!

i was against the Censorship, completely. Freedom of Speach one of the only things that make america unique and lovable, and that's ironic as it is, because it's constantly ignored for the sake of "political correctness" bullshit!

i say, that no matter how much we may dislike or even hate what someone has to say, he should be able to say it freely, as long as it doesn't actually infringe on the Civil Rights Act, or incriminates him on other grounds (such as death threats, or vandalism). it should be illegal to say ****** for example, no matter how much we hate it (and trust me, i do. ._. i know i want a Confedreate Flag, and am white, but i don't just go around callin' folks the n-word. i don't wanna get shot for being an alleged racist, especially when i'm not racist). but it SHOULD be illegal for someone to spraypaint Nigg3R all over some black guy's house.

my point is, that Freedom of Speach is important in america. it is supposed to be our defining Right. if people wanna hate, they can hate. but there should be no mediocrity in the First Amendment. the EPA should go be burnt to the ground. >.>

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