Oh dear someone help PLZ!

[WOLFCRAZED]

Ok so i have a friend whose bro is ummm.... How do i put this, Beastailic. And i don't mean he wants to do it in a fursuit i mean he actualy wants to have it with actual animals like dogs and stuff. Ummm i'm opened to wat ever peeps like to do in their love lifes but i find that sick and it's illegal. I think i'm not going to come over to my friends house anymore. Do u think it right of me to do that? I do personaly.  

[Fox L]

WOLFCRAZED

Ok so i have a friend whose bro is ummm.... How do i put this, Beastailic. And i don't mean he wants to do it in a fursuit i mean he actualy wants to have it with actual animals like dogs and stuff. Ummm i'm opened to wat ever peeps like to do in their love lifes but i find that sick and it's illegal. I think i'm not going to come over to my friends house anymore. Do u think it right of me to do that? I do personaly.

Well, you do what you feel is right. I do agree that it is gross sweatdrop but it is his chose. My saying is treat others as you would want to be treated. And my other one is Keep an open mind and try to understand.
But as i said if you feel like you should and it feels right to you , do it.  

[IEditYourWorld]

Has this guy actually abused animals via beastiality? If so, call the police. You can be anonymous about it. It's just important that you stop the cycle of abuse. If he has done what he is interested in, than he is breaking the law and abusing animals.

Best of luck.
IEditYourWorld  

[WOLFCRAZED]

I don't know if he has had it with animals yet but he told me himself that he is beastailic. I'm sorry, I have an open minds tored wat peeps like but not that. But i can't report him unless i seen it or have and I witness. And i don't want to see it. YUK!  

[00Shoe]

Unless you actually know he has abused animals I wouldn't report him. However tell him you are not comfortable with the subject, and if you are ever together make sure he never brings it up.

*Doesn't really understand how someone would prefer a animal to a person (not that people aren't animals)*  

[WOLFCRAZED]

Thx for all yalls help. I realy apreciate it. Luckily he only has a cat and his bro says the cat wont even come near him. I hope i never gatch him in the act. If i do i might throw up. I guess that until i see it (prayer not) then i need to leave it a lone and just stat away from him wen i'm at my friends house. Once agian thx for all the help.  

[Ryngs_The_Raccoon]

ummmm... yeah. i think the majority rule is that beastiality iis wrong and friggin gross! >.> *retches a lil*  

[FoxGirl I]

00Shoe

Unless you actually know he has abused animals I wouldn't report him. However tell him you are not comfortable with the subject, and if you are ever together make sure he never brings it up.

*Doesn't really understand how someone would prefer a animal to a person (not that people aren't animals)*

Bestiality isn't abuse. How is eg. male dog humping a female human abuse? How? There is no way you can justify that statement, it's horsepoo and you know it. It may be illegal in the United States, but that's about it. To my knowledge, it's not illegal in any European country. In fact, animal porn isn't illegal in many European countries, tho in some it is. American law doesn't define what's universally right or wrong. Ask the animal if it's abused. If it could answer you, you might be surprised by the answer.  

[XxX_Shadow-Wolf458XxX]

WOLFCRAZED

Ok so i have a friend whose bro is ummm.... How do i put this, Beastailic. And i don't mean he wants to do it in a fursuit i mean he actualy wants to have it with actual animals like dogs and stuff. Ummm i'm opened to wat ever peeps like to do in their love lifes but i find that sick and it's illegal. I think i'm not going to come over to my friends house anymore. Do u think it right of me to do that? I do personaly.

I had a really gross mental picture and yes I do agree with you  

[Dr Spangle]

Sweet Foxcy

00Shoe

Unless you actually know he has abused animals I wouldn't report him. However tell him you are not comfortable with the subject, and if you are ever together make sure he never brings it up.

*Doesn't really understand how someone would prefer a animal to a person (not that people aren't animals)*

Bestiality isn't abuse. How is eg. male dog humping a female human abuse? How? There is no way you can justify that statement, it's horsepoo and you know it. It may be illegal in the United States, but that's about it. To my knowledge, it's not illegal in any European country. In fact, animal porn isn't illegal in many European countries, tho in some it is. American law doesn't define what's universally right or wrong. Ask the animal if it's abused. If it could answer you, you might be surprised by the answer.

Foxey raises a good point, in all actuallity and bias aside. We can never and will never able to really say what is good or bad or right or wrong, plus we have no clue what they think so for this I have to side with sweet. (please do not think less of me for this is my voice, my thoughts and rude, cruel words will not change them.)  

[furrysnow13]

Dr Spangle

Sweet Foxcy

00Shoe

Unless you actually know he has abused animals I wouldn't report him. However tell him you are not comfortable with the subject, and if you are ever together make sure he never brings it up.

*Doesn't really understand how someone would prefer a animal to a person (not that people aren't animals)*

Bestiality isn't abuse. How is eg. male dog humping a female human abuse? How? There is no way you can justify that statement, it's horsepoo and you know it. It may be illegal in the United States, but that's about it. To my knowledge, it's not illegal in any European country. In fact, animal porn isn't illegal in many European countries, tho in some it is. American law doesn't define what's universally right or wrong. Ask the animal if it's abused. If it could answer you, you might be surprised by the answer.

Foxey raises a good point, in all actuallity and bias aside. We can never and will never able to really say what is good or bad or right or wrong, plus we have no clue what they think so for this I have to side with sweet. (please do not think less of me for this is my voice, my thoughts and rude, cruel words will not change them.)

i too think that sweet is right. if the animal is interested in it all on its own thats one thing; but if its forced to, thats something entirely different. being a fur for so many years i've found myself on forum boreds about this subject (by accident of course) and the people who have this... 'fetish?' are just normal animal lovers. the vast majority wouldn't dare to hurt any =/ granted its not for everyone, but try and see it from there view point. (as gross as it seems)

crazed, if you are basing your relationship with your friend with the fact that his brother is into it, then you'd be in the wrong. why would you punish your friend for his brothers acts.. just deosn't make scenes to me =/  

[Scott Benedict]

furrysnow13

Dr Spangle

Sweet Foxcy

00Shoe

Unless you actually know he has abused animals I wouldn't report him. However tell him you are not comfortable with the subject, and if you are ever together make sure he never brings it up.

*Doesn't really understand how someone would prefer a animal to a person (not that people aren't animals)*

Bestiality isn't abuse. How is eg. male dog humping a female human abuse? How? There is no way you can justify that statement, it's horsepoo and you know it. It may be illegal in the United States, but that's about it. To my knowledge, it's not illegal in any European country. In fact, animal porn isn't illegal in many European countries, tho in some it is. American law doesn't define what's universally right or wrong. Ask the animal if it's abused. If it could answer you, you might be surprised by the answer.

Foxey raises a good point, in all actuallity and bias aside. We can never and will never able to really say what is good or bad or right or wrong, plus we have no clue what they think so for this I have to side with sweet. (please do not think less of me for this is my voice, my thoughts and rude, cruel words will not change them.)

i too think that sweet is right. if the animal is interested in it all on its own thats one thing; but if its forced to, thats something entirely different. being a fur for so many years i've found myself on forum boreds about this subject (by accident of course) and the people who have this... 'fetish?' are just normal animal lovers. the vast majority wouldn't dare to hurt any =/ granted its not for everyone, but try and see it from there view point. (as gross as it seems)

crazed, if you are basing your relationship with your friend with the fact that his brother is into it, then you'd be in the wrong. why would you punish your friend for his brothers acts.. just deosn't make scenes to me =/

In all honesty I have no opinion. A person can do what a person wants. If they're into that, then let them be, if you don't approve of it, then just stay away from them, i suppose :S. And I also agree with Foxcy, Spangle, and furrysnow have just added to it. And no, before i say anything else, i'm not into beastiality. I'm in a happy relationship with a loving man, who loves me back. If you're not comfortable with someone, just don't be around them.  

[shoki_de_nai]

To the person asking for help:

There's not much you can do (except keep pets faaaar away from the sicko) unless you have evidence that this person has abused an animal. There are places you could look if you know their internet handles. Lots people into bestiality tend to post in or join online communities to share. However, you'd have the potential of mentally scarring yourself.

To the people discussing whether or not it's abuse:

Having sex with an animal is always wrong, no matter if they're humping you or the other way around. There's lots of reason it's illegal, and considered abusive. I'm not an expert, but I have worked with animals and done some research on the subject, as it has come up SO MUCH in the furry community.

You doing an animal:
-Always the potential for serious injury (ie internal tearing). Your junk was not made compatible with theirs. The animal in question could also react and harm you.
-You're essentially raping the animal. It has no concept of consent, or even of sex. Animals rely on instincts, not on our notions of "love" and "sex." This can cause a lot of mental harm to the animal.

An animal doing you:
-Again, Tab A is not compatible with Slot B. There's risk of injury.
-With dogs in particular (the main victim, and most often the one on this end of the abuse), you're messing with the animal's head more than you'd think. In their world, the one in charge gets to hump. You're literally becoming your dog's b***h. This can cause a lot of behavioral problems such as disobedience and severe aggression as they are now under the assumption that they are the alpha of the household, not you.

Again, animals react on instinct. They're not "consenting" to what we consider "sex."

Sorry for the long post, but people going "It's okay if the animal starts it!" is just a major peeve of mine.  

[FoxGirl I]

shoki_de_nai

To the people discussing whether or not it's abuse:

Having sex with an animal is always wrong, no matter if they're humping you or the other way around.

Moralistic bullshit.

shoki_de_nai

There's lots of reason it's illegal

argumentum ad populum,

shoki_de_nai

and considered abusive.

Common conceptions are equally true as Jesus being white and walking on water. Eg. bullshit.

shoki_de_nai

I'm not an expert

No, you're not, and it shows.,

shoki_de_nai

but I have worked with animals and done some research on the subject

And now you know everything

shoki_de_nai

, as it has come up SO MUCH in the furry community.

You doing an animal:
-Always the potential for serious injury (ie internal tearing). Your junk was not made compatible with theirs.

If you're ******** a marsupial, then yes, it will ******** tear apart. Dog? Never. Study more anatomy. It's the same in dogs as in humans: It will stretch a mile before tearing an inch.

shoki_de_nai

The animal in question could also react and harm you.

Good. This is how it goes in the nature. Either you have it under your control, and rape it (yes, there is no consent in the nature, with most animals, especially with the male, it is rape, be it a male dog or a male human that does it, it's always rape, that is okay, because it's the raping individual asserting themself as the alpha. You have a circular logic and contradictions going on, because you're incapable of thinking it from any other perspective than human perspective 'rape is wrong, animals have feelings, pink unicorns exist', I'm pointing them out to you.) If you haven't subdued the animal, then it will turn around and bite your c**k off. Why? Because it can. It has the strength to do that (unless, again, it's the size of a marsupial). The fact that it DOESN'T do that is it submitting to you, eg. LETTING YOU RAPE IT. This is the closest equivalent of CONSENT you will find with eg. canine species.

shoki_de_nai

-You're essentially raping the animal. It has no concept of consent, or even of sex. Animals rely on instincts, not on our notions of "love" and "sex."

Exactly, see above why RAPE ISN'T BAD EXCEPT IN THE HUMAN WORLD.

shoki_de_nai

This can cause a lot of mental harm to the animal.

BULL ******** s**t. The animal at hand (let's talk about dogs, just because it's easiest that way, ofc there are animals you shouldn't necessarily try to ********) has no psychological mechanism saying rape is wrong. No psychological mechanism saying it's personal rights were fringed. No psychological mechanism saying what is a person, a right, or a personal right. No morals. No beliefs. No... Get it? No mental harm. For a dog, it is second nature being raped. It's part of the mechanics of their packlives, like with wolves and rats, and closely related to hierarchy within the pack. Eg. normal, not traumatic.

shoki_de_nai

An animal doing you:
-Again, Tab A is not compatible with Slot B.

Have you tried? I can assure you, more than compatible - and I can tell you I don't know this from a wikipedia article.

shoki_de_nai

There's risk of injury.

With horse cocks, dolphin cocks, and elephant cocks, not with dog cocks. Other parts? Well, if their humping you, they're not killing you, that would be kind of counterproductive. Small scratches on your back from their claws? Oh please, HUMANS I have sex with scratch me worse.

shoki_de_nai

-With dogs in particular (the main victim, and most often the one on this end of the abuse)

unwarranted dramatisation with no grounds - it CAN be abuse, it the person is abuse, saying it is always abuse is obscuring the limit of abuse and working for the benefit of the real abusers, as if even those who aren't abusing the animals are included in their number, the number grows bigger, and it's easier for the REAL abusers to get away with it.,

shoki_de_nai

you're messing with the animal's head more than you'd think.

And less than YOU think.

shoki_de_nai

In their world, the one in charge gets to hump.

This is true.

shoki_de_nai

You're literally becoming your dog's b***h.

This isn't as simple as you portray it as.

shoki_de_nai

This can cause a lot of behavioral problems such as disobedience and severe aggression as they are now under the assumption that they are the alpha of the household, not you.

While I grant you that this may be the case with people who have no idea how to raise a dog in the first place, it is not so with those who do. In dogs/wolves, like rats, it sometimes happens, that the alpha, after using the younger individual to his sexual pleasure (out of necessity - if he didn't, he'd get physiological and psychological proglems, like 'blue balls' and aggressive behaviour, which would lead it to attacking its own pack, and being driven away, or killed), he will sometimes (not always) grant the younger individual to fulfil his sexual needs, eg reciprocate, and in this situation, the alpha temporarily yields to the younger individual. This does not change their relationsahips, the alpha is still alpha, and immediately after the act, acts as the alpha. This is how it works too, if the alpha is not another dog. Dogs are more than used to humans being the alphas in every other respect, they are not going to get ******** up from the human fulfilling this aspect of being the alpha. The only thing that could possibly ******** up the dog under the alpha is the alpha ******** up, eg. the alpha doing something wrong. Raping your subject or yielding to it in sex, while otherwise always keeping up a relentless control, with no exceptions, is not doing anything wrong. Being a p***y, and giving up to your dog in other situations, pampering it, and not controlling it with an iron fist is wrong, and that's what causes problems, and the dog challenging you and your leadership..

shoki_de_nai

Again, animals react on instinct. They're not "consenting" to what we consider "sex."

Exactly. So read above, and stop yammering about things you don't know adequately about to be teaching anyone about them.

shoki_de_nai

Sorry for the long post, but people going "It's okay if the animal starts it!" is just a major peeve of mine.

And people antropomorphising animal behaviour and inplementic human behavioural models, morals, and beliefs on animals that do not possess them, and pretending to know about things they don't know about is a peeve of mine.  

[00Shoe]

Sweet Foxcy

Snip

I don't think we are talking about a dog humping someones leg. In any circumstance when the sex is not consensual it is morally wrong. It doesn't matter what your belief structure, taking advantage of something or someone who is not physically capable of saying no is abuse.