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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:49 pm


in my opinion, Legalized Prostitution would solve so many problems...

for one, they'd have the right to establish a Whores' Union, which would protect them from being exploited and abused by pimps, afford them fair wages, medical treatment and benefits, etcetera.

secondly, they'd have the option to freelance without a pimp, to take legal action on any competing Whore who assaults or otherwise causes trouble with them, and set their own wages; or to join a Brothel complete with Employee benefits (discounts anyone? or payed Medicare), protection, and a much cleaner and safer environment.

and thirdly, they'd be able to set their own terms (thanks to the Union), helping to keep STDs at bay.

i say it'd be a good damn thing to legalize Prostitution!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:07 pm


In my opinion, if people want to sell their bodies it's their right to do so without government intervention. I don't think the government needs to act like a strict parent.
Do I think it's a little gross, yes, but that's just my opinion.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:11 pm


"I want it to be legal...not because i like money..I mean s@#...But for all the reasons above..that and some my mom said, but i forget now.."
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:12 pm


heh. well, i also have some more to add on this topic as well, since the ball is going slow in rolling. smile

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The problem with prostitution and brothels is that is it a profession for the poverty stricken. Legalizing it would cause more harm. For one, you can't regulate their salaries. You can only regulate what minimum wage is, and, what isn't. For all we know, they can be paid less then 15 percent of what they make in a day. Prostitution is also a form of slavery, a form in which it is seen as immoral by our current society. It will take decades to change that view. Society will not bend over to accommodate these slave workers because, the vast majority got into the trade by ether being runaways, or, drug addicts trying to make money for their next fix. Legalizing this sex trade would not fix these women's problems, it will only exacerbate them. It is my view that they should not be helped by legalizing the sex trafficking industry but rather, they should be helped by preventing them getting into the industry in the first place. Making mothers and fathers understand their children better will prevent them from entering this horrible industry. Making poor urban communities into middle class societies will, prevent pimps from starting a business there. Making women love who they are and not become drug addicts will, make society better for all of us. Both in the short and long term.

I would think that the free market would have to actually bend to the general prices of illegal prostitutes, would it not? The free market must also compete with the black market. I don't think that legal slavery in civilized countries would turn into pure pimpin', as much as I love to be pimpin'. I'd expect the salaries to be less to accommodate for being legal and being protected, but not substantially less to the point where it'd be considered low.

Prostitution is not slavery if the prostitutes are employed and not owned by law or brute force. /:

All the things that you mentioned about "learning" are futile. Haven't you learned anything? People don't learn--- we just advance technologically and make up morals to live without fear of being persecuted.

Helping people "learn" is very, very expensive--- wouldn't it be better to just give that money directly to the people who need it rather than spending it on therapists and social workers who can't stop most of the people they talk with? If money is the problem (you mentioned poverty), money must be the solution, no?

And I almost resent the fact that you didn't mention male prostitutes! Yeah, it happens.

And also, I believe that legalizing prostitution will not have an effect on the problems of women or men because NOTHING will stop women and men from being ******** up, not even an endeavor to educate the poor youth.

1.) Yes, it still is.
2.) That makes no sense in the discussion. The right kind of education has been proven to lower statistics of various topics.
3.) I meant both. Give them money and help them with social workers and the like.
4.) Woopdedo.
5.) No s**t. But, it will lower the number of how much people are ******** up.

Since you decided to respond in a list, I will do the same.
1: But how? If they are employed it is by choice. Please explain, I do not understand.

2 + 3: Education can lower statistics, yes, but education is expensive. And you said you want education AND social workers AND giving money in the form of welfare? All that would be lovely, but there has to be more of one and less of another... Question is: which one do you think is more effective? Education is statistically proven to lower certain problems (even though people still generally do not learn--- I am still sticking to my notions in that subject); giving money to people stricken by poverty will also lessen the problem as well. So what is the problem that drives people to prostitution? Is it because they're poor or because they don't know any better? The answer is: both. I'd rather the money go into welfare (which benefits everybody) and not re-education centers or social workers who just can't save everybody--- and most of the times, can't save most of their clients. Prostitution is a vicious cycle.

And consider the fact that hiring social workers and having more education is very, very expensive, and more for the long term and for a very large budget.

5: Yeah, but my point is that it's just not effective--- at least not as effective as welfare, which essentially treats another problem that leads to prostitution but also helps out a lot more people such as the disabled.


confused welfare can't solve the problem at all. for one, it's a "quick-fix" solution, which is why it has been handed down to so many black families back in the 70's. the problem is capitalism.

if we were to take action and spend money on Social Workers, better Eductaion, and programs to solve crisis situations, it would not be a wasted effort. it would be an investment. we stand to gain so much from improving our society and it's standards, insteading of bandaging it with direct hand-outs.

but see, i do think that to provide the option for the desperate to Whore themselves out should be a legitimate one, and the least we could do is not waste jail cells, or allow STDs and domestic abuse to run rampant. that is why i support Legalized Prostitution AND Libertarian Socialism.

still, not everyone who works at any given job particularly wants to be their, or is by choice. they choose not to leave it because they decide that the pay is worthe it. but yes, it is not slavery... not realy anyway.


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I believe "Drake" just wants to argue now- with insults only- and doesn't really care about getting the point across anymore.

But anyway, here are some interesting documentaries some of you may want to watch-

Teenage Sex for Sale 40 minutes

Born Into Brothels 83 minutes

Hummingbird 47 minutes

Renita, Renita 14 minutes

Cutting Edge: The Child Sex Trade 65 minutes

Conspiracy of Silence: The Franklin Cover Up 120 minutes

Frontline: Sex Slaves 55 minutes

If you watch any of these, please quote this post with a review. I would love to hear.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:34 pm


I think legalizing prostitution would come with a lot of red tape that would easily be ignored because of history of the business, but at the same time, a woman could go to the police or a lawyer and say "This man and I entered into a verbal contract and he squelched on his end of the deal. I want compensation," or even "Yes, we agreed to consensual sex for money, but he physically harmed me, which was not part of the deal. I want to sue for assault."

In many fiction books I've read where prostitution is legal, there is less of a religious stigma on the practice, which might be what is holding the U.S. back from extending legal protection. A lot of scenarios involve binding contracts, written and/or verbal, recognized in a court of law. There doesn't necessarily need to be whore-unions or a minimum wage. There just needs to be a legal understanding that paying for sex is the same as paying for any service.

Still, the question remains, who would want to openly admit "I'm a prostitute" to get legal benefits?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:47 pm


you'd b surprised how many are unashamed, even proud, to be Whores or in other ways sell Sex. though yes, there is definately a majority of desperate, addicted, ashamed or othrwise rotten ones out there....

the point is, that we have nothing to realy lose from legalizing it so long as we work to prevent it's nessesity, and yet everything to gain from improving the situation for those who do flock to the business.

yes, it will definately be stigmatized and complicated... but revolution is never easy or smooth. it takes time for people to get used to change. i still think that religion should have it's place in society, but that it should be kept away from legislation. Church and State should be kept sepperate!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:02 pm


"Yes, change is hard. I wish you good luck, because the bible say's really, really well that whores are bad...Doesn't say witches as strongly (look at harry potter, it's hated) or really that much about gays..(Look at the law about gay marriage..or worse..straight camps...) and other stuff..so...Ya, not gonna be soon".
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:09 pm


the Bible doesn't say s**t about gays, that's entirely a human interpretation. rolleyes

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:11 pm


The state should worry about the physical and the religious should worry about the spiritual. They should only crossover in one's personal life--such as a Jew not eating pork or a Jehovah's Witness refusing a blood transfusion. I don't think that a predominantly Jewish government has the right to make pork illegal, or that a predominantly Jehovah's witness government should ban life-saving blood-based medical procedures. These practices are more about the spiritual applications than the physical, and no matter how well-meaning a religious government might be, the fact of the matter is that in the entirety of human history, past, present and future, all the billions of humans on the earth will never ever worship the same god. The basic freedom of religion should prevent the government from making laws based on what they believe is spiritually right.

However, the FDA has in place procedures to discern if pork is safe to eat and the hospitals follow strict procedures to ensure the safety of blood transfusions. Once the pork is check and packaged and on the supermarket's refrigerated shelf, it's up to the consumer to eat it. Once the blood is tested and approved, it's ready to do save another life. Physically, eating the pork will not cause the citizen of the government harm, and a blood transfusion can safe a life--even improve life quality.

It is a consideration how prostitution can effect the psyche, especially when combined with damaging, illegal drugs and abuse. A prostitute can also be blamed for breaking up a family (but really, the guy who sleeps with her should hold 99% of the blame for not holding up his legal bargain with his wife), which can psychologically harm children, make them feel unstable, unsafe, and confuse them about sex in general. However, the consequences of sex between two consenting adults is ONLY the concern of those two consenting adults. Pregnancy, STDs, psychological issues, religious stigmas--all of that effects people on a very individual basis, NOT on a sweeping general-population basis.

Besides, other sexual services are legally available, so keeping the act of PAYING for sex illegal while GIVING IT AWAY or even selling visual representations of the consensual act is perfectly fine is a lingering hypocrisy in modern society.

Basically, if you can legally get paid by a third party employer to have sex with a coworker on film, why can't you get paid for sex in private?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:22 pm


in all honesty, the only thing i can argue about that post is that a Whore shouldn't be blamed for wrecking a marriage that was disrespected by one of the spouses of said marriage. it isn't the Prostitute's fault at all.

and the thing about that is, 1.) i don't think you were saying that the Whore should be blamed, only that that's what happens so often; and 2.) that it realy goes off the point of the topic. xd

but i do feel in agreement with you, the rediculousness of so many people to have their social stigmas is very hypocritical when you lay it out. which definitely says something about our superficial and self-righteous culture.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:29 pm


Wow, thank you for quoting the documentaries I posted!!
Very much appreciated!

And here is bible verses quoted, when it comes to homosexuality. I myself do not speak for nor endorse the bible.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:30 pm


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in all honesty, the only thing i can argue about that post is that a Whore shouldn't be blamed for wrecking a marriage that was disrespected by one of the spouses of said marriage. it isn't the Prostitute's fault at all.

and the thing about that is, 1.) i don't think you were saying that the Whore should be blamed, only that that's what happens so often; and 2.) that it realy goes off the point of the topic. xd


Actually, one of the arguments I've heard for why prostitution should remain illegal is an effort to keep families together. I think the only case in which a prostitute could be legally blamed for breaking up a marriage is if she somehow became a sexual stalker of a really weak-willed man. And that's the 1% I was hinting at. The rest of the time, if you make a contract of monogamy and you break it, it's on your own head regardless of the circumstances.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:33 pm


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in all honesty, the only thing i can argue about that post is that a Whore shouldn't be blamed for wrecking a marriage that was disrespected by one of the spouses of said marriage. it isn't the Prostitute's fault at all.

and the thing about that is, 1.) i don't think you were saying that the Whore should be blamed, only that that's what happens so often; and 2.) that it realy goes off the point of the topic. xd


Actually, one of the arguments I've heard for why prostitution should remain illegal is an effort to keep families together. I think the only case in which a prostitute could be legally blamed for breaking up a marriage is if she somehow became a sexual stalker of a really weak-willed man. And that's the 1% I was hinting at. The rest of the time, if you make a contract of monogamy and you break it, it's on your own head regardless of the circumstances.


xd indeed!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:34 pm


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Wow, thank you for quoting the documentaries I posted!!
Very much appreciated!

And here is bible verses quoted, when it comes to homosexuality. I myself do not speak for nor endorse the bible.


ooooh~ @o@ :grabbie-hands at the link.:

=w= :tears into it ravenoulsy, om-nom-nomming on the information like the Datavore that i am.:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:54 am


The overall goal should be protecting people and providing a safe environment. It turns out that this hasn't really happened in the areas where it's been legalized outright -- exploitation continues and the industry thrives. The same can be said about areas in which pornography is legal (the actual act is virtually identical although there are some different issues associated with it).

Many women (and men but of course to a lesser extent) in this industry do not desire to be involved in it. Making it legal doesn't seem to help this.

What has seemed to have a positive impact is decriminalizing the selling of sex, and criminalizing the buying. While it may sound unbalanced it makes a good deal of sense, and actually serves to limit the amount of abuse, as well as actually decrease the amount of prostitution that takes place. Sweden I believe was the first to adopt this policy, and different regions in Scandinavia have since followed, because it actually works.
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