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 Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:16 pm
 They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I personally think that people shouldn't be allowed to pierce the ears of their infants. I know the arguments like "They don't feel it long" and "it's easier to clean them when they're babies" but I think it's just ridiculous. What if they grow up and hate it? Parents do it for themselves, not for the babies.
What are your thoughts, guys? What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:50 pm
honestly, I feel that it isn't my business to tell anyone "no" to something like that. it's their child, not mine.
on the one hand, I wouldn't do it because
1.) they are too little to tell me whether they want it or not.
2.) the risk of infection is far scarier when you are little.
and 3.) there is plenty of time later to do it.
but at the same time, it isn't like a piercing is likely to kill the child. so if someone else pierced their child's ear, I don't have any grounds to say "hey, you can't do that!"
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:00 pm
Chieftain Twilight honestly, I feel that it isn't my business to tell anyone "no" to something like that. it's their child, not mine. on the one hand, I wouldn't do it because 1.) they are too little to tell me whether they want it or not. 2.) the risk of infection is far scarier when you are little. and 3.) there is plenty of time later to do it. but at the same time, it isn't like a piercing is likely to kill the child. so if someone else pierced their child's ear, I don't have any grounds to say "hey, you can't do that!" They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I totally understand where you're coming from. I just don't understand how people can do it. I couldn't do it to my future children anyway. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:10 pm
Department of Mysteries Chieftain Twilight honestly, I feel that it isn't my business to tell anyone "no" to something like that. it's their child, not mine. on the one hand, I wouldn't do it because 1.) they are too little to tell me whether they want it or not. 2.) the risk of infection is far scarier when you are little. and 3.) there is plenty of time later to do it. but at the same time, it isn't like a piercing is likely to kill the child. so if someone else pierced their child's ear, I don't have any grounds to say "hey, you can't do that!" They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I totally understand where you're coming from. I just don't understand how people can do it. I couldn't do it to my future children anyway. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up. there are some cultural reasons behind it. but it seems mostly, alot of folks like to micromanage their child's life. sometimes in ironic and hypocritical ways.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:20 pm
Chieftain Twilight there are some cultural reasons behind it. but it seems mostly, alot of folks like to micromanage their child's life. sometimes in ironic and hypocritical ways. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
The ones that really bug me are the people who just do it because they want their kid to be cute, or because that's what's normal. I just don't get it. I think they should be able to choose. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:40 pm
Department of Mysteries Chieftain Twilight there are some cultural reasons behind it. but it seems mostly, alot of folks like to micromanage their child's life. sometimes in ironic and hypocritical ways. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
The ones that really bug me are the people who just do it because they want their kid to be cute, or because that's what's normal. I just don't get it. I think they should be able to choose. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up. I agree 100% there... it's twisted to force something on someone when they are helpless.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:44 pm
Chieftain Twilight I agree 100% there... it's twisted to force something on someone when they are helpless. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
Oh yes. Especially something that would leave scars if they don't want it later in life. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:45 pm
Department of Mysteries Chieftain Twilight I agree 100% there... it's twisted to force something on someone when they are helpless. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
Oh yes. Especially something that would leave scars if they don't want it later in life. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up. sometime I wonder just how many shades of grey there are when it comes to talk about Liberty and Freedoms.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:48 pm
Chieftain Twilight sometime I wonder just how many shades of grey there are when it comes to talk about Liberty and Freedoms. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I hear you there. I understand when the 16 year old wants something pierced, so the parent provides consent. I don't see why it's ok to do it to someone who has no say in what's going on though. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:51 pm
Department of Mysteries Chieftain Twilight sometime I wonder just how many shades of grey there are when it comes to talk about Liberty and Freedoms. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I hear you there. I understand when the 16 year old wants something pierced, so the parent provides consent. I don't see why it's ok to do it to someone who has no say in what's going on though. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up. when it comes down to it, I think the only reason I don't want to have a say in whether it should be illegal or not is because I try to stay out of other peoples' business unless someone is being victimized. do you think this qualifies as victimization?
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:00 pm
As a mom of a toddler who was a very grab-and-yank kind of baby, I wonder these infants don't tear out their glittery ear bobs. I have noticed the practice more with some cultures, and in some cases it makes sense (culturally). Like in cultures/environments where women wear their wealth all the time.it might look disproportionately gaudy to our western style sense, but all that bling is their families' life savings and there are no banks around. Also, even in western cultures, I've noticed it most in circumstances where the parents are trying to live above their means. Piercing a baby's ears is a way to give them a beautiful gift that will last the child's while life. It also makes the baby look more pampered and wealthier. Or so the twisted reasoning goes. Piercings = money. The more you have filled with glam, the better your bank account looks to strangers.
Personally, I think that piercings, like any body modification, should be a personal choice, since most are permanent. It hurts just as much no matter how old you are. And I don't care how little a baby is, it is not easier to clean their ears when they don't know what's going on. I'd rather have an older child who can be brave while I swab their lobes with alcohol and salt water.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:46 am
Chieftain Twilight when it comes down to it, I think the only reason I don't want to have a say in whether it should be illegal or not is because I try to stay out of other peoples' business unless someone is being victimized. do you think this qualifies as victimization? They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I understand both of your points. I try to stay out of other's business as well. I can't say "stay out of their business" when it comes to gay rights or abortion if I can't "stay out of their business" with this.
On the other hand, a baby can't consent. And I guess if they grow up with the earrings, they wouldn't know any differently to hate them. It's not like they're getting their ears gauged or something that would stick with them forever, noticeably. I think it's all about the lack of consent for me. I also just get heartbroken when I see it happen. emo
@ Scarlet: Oh yeah, babies are the grabbiest things on the face of the earth. I see where you're coming from, and now that I think of it, that does seem to be a trend. The people I see who have that done to their babies usually look like they're a lot more well off money wise. Like an "Look at me, I have enough money to give my baby diamond earrings" or something like that. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:42 am
Department of Mysteries @ Scarlet: Oh yeah, babies are the grabbiest things on the face of the earth. I see where you're coming from, and now that I think of it, that does seem to be a trend. The people I see who have that done to their babies usually look like they're a lot more well off money wise. Like an "Look at me, I have enough money to give my baby diamond earrings" or something like that. Yep, that would be it in a nutshell. Parents do it with other things too, like their children's clothes, accessories (how many 8-year old's really need an iPod?), hair styles, prospective careers, etc. It's why 10-year olds can have "juicy" printed on the butt of their sweat pants and wear 3" high heals and 3 oz of stripper makeup to the 4th grade "dance." For some reason, people want their kids to grow up with "everything they never had." I don't get it. Being a parent is not about giving your kids everything. It's about helping them grow up into responsible and productive adults. You can be a responsible and productive adult without pierced ears or a skewed, materialistic view of life. If I were a piercer, I would be very uncomfortable piercing a baby's ears. Just the possibilities of infection and accidents would be enough to make me refuse a client. It's not that hard to wait until the child is at least school aged and they can understand how to take care of their own piercings.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:29 pm
ScarletFrost Yep, that would be it in a nutshell. Parents do it with other things too, like their children's clothes, accessories (how many 8-year old's really need an iPod?), hair styles, prospective careers, etc. It's why 10-year olds can have "juicy" printed on the butt of their sweat pants and wear 3" high heals and 3 oz of stripper makeup to the 4th grade "dance." For some reason, people want their kids to grow up with "everything they never had." I don't get it. Being a parent is not about giving your kids everything. It's about helping them grow up into responsible and productive adults. You can be a responsible and productive adult without pierced ears or a skewed, materialistic view of life. If I were a piercer, I would be very uncomfortable piercing a baby's ears. Just the possibilities of infection and accidents would be enough to make me refuse a client. It's not that hard to wait until the child is at least school aged and they can understand how to take care of their own piercings. They say when you meet the love of your life, time stops. And that's true.
I understand wanting them to have things that I didn't to an extent. My family was always very poor when my brother and I were growing up, so we didn't get to do much. I'd love to be able to take my kids on awesome trips and stuff like that, but I'm not going to have them prancing around in "adult" clothing. It crosses a line from wanting them to live better than you lived to living vicariously through them. Does that make sense?
And I would have no problem refusing anyone who couldn't tell me they wanted it done if I were a piercer. What they don't tell you, is that once time starts again, it moves extra fast to catch up.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:09 pm
Department of Mysteries I understand wanting them to have things that I didn't to an extent. My family was always very poor when my brother and I were growing up, so we didn't get to do much. I'd love to be able to take my kids on awesome trips and stuff like that, but I'm not going to have them prancing around in "adult" clothing. It crosses a line from wanting them to live better than you lived to living vicariously through them. Does that make sense? And I would have no problem refusing anyone who couldn't tell me they wanted it done if I were a piercer. I can get the "I don't want my kid to go through the hard times I did/make the same mistakes I did." That makes sense. Of course we want the best for our kids, but some people take it to an extreme. I totally understand what your saying; our kids are NOT our second chance at whatever. Be it wealth, beauty, popularity, sexuality, employability--whatever! We shouldn't treat them the way we wanted to be treated when we were disturbed and rebellious teens.
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