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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:56 am
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Isel Rellik San No it isn't, emo is a mid 90's evolution of heravy metal, later segregating into the category of emotive hardcore. Heavy metal is not the correct genre at all, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong dammit so ******** incorrect oh my GOD.
Whoops. Let that slip... for like, 2 minutes.
It's a form of punk inspired by the desire to use emotional lyrics in the punk genre as an alternative to just yelling about politics and such.
It just so happened to start in the 80's, actually. Mid-90's is the post-grunge era, and the time when the last true "emo" record (as far as my knowledge on the subject is) was released- Weezer's "Pinkerton".
Ok then, how do you explain post metal, hardcore bands such as Killswitch Engage, Hearts Will Bleed and Zero being classed as Emotive Hardcore with in the original genre listings. The fact is, that they are asking about modern emo, not the New Romantic stuff (Which would be constituted as the beginnings of emo and goth). So in bringing to the table that the bands inspired by such are goth/punk (I still have to bite my lip not to go on a huge diatribe about how wrong that is) bands, such as MCR and Aiden were born. Actually whats considered Emo, like say, BFMV and FFAF, are the evolutions of the post metal hardcore scene into the more emotive aspect, as opposed to the likes of Hatebreed and co. who maintain to be reffered to as Hardcore not Emo. Weezer are in no shape emo, they were born out of the same rock/experimental phase that also brought about the like of TMBG (They Might be Giants), being a fan of both bands, I will attest to this.... well, it seems we have a bit of a debate going on here my friend.
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Rellik San Isel Rellik San No it isn't, emo is a mid 90's evolution of heravy metal, later segregating into the category of emotive hardcore. Heavy metal is not the correct genre at all, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong dammit so ******** incorrect oh my GOD.
Whoops. Let that slip... for like, 2 minutes.
It's a form of punk inspired by the desire to use emotional lyrics in the punk genre as an alternative to just yelling about politics and such.
It just so happened to start in the 80's, actually. Mid-90's is the post-grunge era, and the time when the last true "emo" record (as far as my knowledge on the subject is) was released- Weezer's "Pinkerton".Ok then, how do you explain post metal, hardcore bands such as Killswitch Engage, Hearts Will Bleed and Zero being classed as Emotive Hardcore with in the original genre listings. The fact is, that they are asking about modern emo, not the New Romantic stuff (Which would be constituted as the beginnings of emo and goth). So in bringing to the table that the bands inspired by such are goth/punk (I still have to bite my lip not to go on a huge diatribe about how wrong that is) bands, such as MCR and Aiden were born. Actually whats considered Emo, like say, BFMV and FFAF, are the evolutions of the post metal hardcore scene into the more emotive aspect, as opposed to the likes of Hatebreed and co. who maintain to be reffered to as Hardcore not Emo. Weezer are in no shape emo, they were born out of the same rock/experimental phase that also brought about the like of TMBG (They Might be Giants), being a fan of both bands, I will attest to this.... well, it seems we have a bit of a debate going on here my friend.
1. A band does not need to be part of a genre to release an album within said genre. For example- Dir en Grey released the EP "sixUgly" which is classified as "western-world Metal". Dir en Grey is not western-world metal. Therefore, Weezer is quite capable of releasing an emo album despite them being an experimental band. Furthermore, they are experimental rock- thusly giving them a license to perform multiple genres of music. See Beck.
2. New Romantic never existed. You're thinking Darkwave (The Cure, The Cult, Siouxsie and the Banshees), a movement that never left Europe and became "goth" when America emulated it.
3. KSE is "metalcore with emo vocals". I don't know about this, because I heard one song from them and I hated it, so I don't listen to them at all.
4. MCR and Aiden are two bands in a similar vein of pop-punk.
5. Hatebreed is not emo. Jamey Jasta was hoping nobody would call them that. They are straight-up hardcore.
6. Furthermore, most bands categorized as "heavy metal" are composed of musicians who are in their 40's and 50's (and maybe 60's) now, being that heavy metal originated with bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Motorhead. Heavy metal experienced its first genre subcategorization with Motorhead, of course, being the first band that punks considered alright to listen to. Secondly, we saw Metallica and Slayer start the genre of "fantasy metal", which Slayer left behind immediately after their debut, moving on to create the first elements of death metal and thrash metal.
Heavy metal sounds nothing like emo, in conclusion.
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Isel Rellik San Isel Rellik San No it isn't, emo is a mid 90's evolution of heravy metal, later segregating into the category of emotive hardcore. Heavy metal is not the correct genre at all, wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong dammit so ******** incorrect oh my GOD.
Whoops. Let that slip... for like, 2 minutes.
It's a form of punk inspired by the desire to use emotional lyrics in the punk genre as an alternative to just yelling about politics and such.
It just so happened to start in the 80's, actually. Mid-90's is the post-grunge era, and the time when the last true "emo" record (as far as my knowledge on the subject is) was released- Weezer's "Pinkerton".Ok then, how do you explain post metal, hardcore bands such as Killswitch Engage, Hearts Will Bleed and Zero being classed as Emotive Hardcore with in the original genre listings. The fact is, that they are asking about modern emo, not the New Romantic stuff (Which would be constituted as the beginnings of emo and goth). So in bringing to the table that the bands inspired by such are goth/punk (I still have to bite my lip not to go on a huge diatribe about how wrong that is) bands, such as MCR and Aiden were born. Actually whats considered Emo, like say, BFMV and FFAF, are the evolutions of the post metal hardcore scene into the more emotive aspect, as opposed to the likes of Hatebreed and co. who maintain to be reffered to as Hardcore not Emo. Weezer are in no shape emo, they were born out of the same rock/experimental phase that also brought about the like of TMBG (They Might be Giants), being a fan of both bands, I will attest to this.... well, it seems we have a bit of a debate going on here my friend. 1. A band does not need to be part of a genre to release an album within said genre. For example- Dir en Grey released the EP "sixUgly" which is classified as "western-world Metal". Dir en Grey is not western-world metal. Therefore, Weezer is quite capable of releasing an emo album despite them being an experimental band. Furthermore, they are experimental rock- thusly giving them a license to perform multiple genres of music. See Beck.
2. New Romantic never existed. You're thinking Darkwave (The Cure, The Cult, Siouxsie and the Banshees), a movement that never left Europe and became "goth" when America emulated it.
3. KSE is "metalcore with emo vocals". I don't know about this, because I heard one song from them and I hated it, so I don't listen to them at all.
4. MCR and Aiden are two bands in a similar vein of pop-punk.
5. Hatebreed is not emo. Jamey Jasta was hoping nobody would call them that. They are straight-up hardcore.
6. Furthermore, most bands categorized as "heavy metal" are composed of musicians who are in their 40's and 50's (and maybe 60's) now, being that heavy metal originated with bands like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Motorhead. Heavy metal experienced its first genre subcategorization with Motorhead, of course, being the first band that punks considered alright to listen to. Secondly, we saw Metallica and Slayer start the genre of "fantasy metal", which Slayer left behind immediately after their debut, moving on to create the first elements of death metal and thrash metal.
Heavy metal sounds nothing like emo, in conclusion.
1. Defining a particular genre to a band, is a matter of simple classification, true, they do not have to be particularly active in a genre to release an album into it. As for your Dir En Grey example, mad capsule markets, whom sing mostly in japanese, sparing a few tracks and are like nothing seen outside of their experimental punk/metal/techno genre, are also considered western metal. Because of pretentious anime fans, not looking beyond things such as visual kei or the a-typical ballads with in. So naturally when Dir En Grey release something comprised of more then twisted imagery the majority western fans; otaku, will snub it for an alternate genre. However the band themselves, still see it as part of their established catalogue, be that visual kei or experimental Weezer style rock.
2. Nope it was called new romantic, at least in Britain it was called new romantic, and though it had its hand in the creation of goth, you can not deny its overtly obvious impact on the appearance of the modern emo stereotype, which is what brought the original misconseption, as emo's being nothing more then failed goths.
3. Regardless, standardised emo bands such as BFMV and so fourth, emulate the KSE blueprint, thusly, KSE could be proclaimed the progenitor of modern emo bands, bringing with it, true emotion.
4. I honestly have no idea how to describe those bands, the music press calls them goth punk, the idiots claim them to be emo, the rest of the world claims them to be pop punk (despite lacking the 'fun' of original pop punk, such as pre-whiney Green Day and pre sucking Blink 182). The fact is, genre titles have been thrown around between those too bands, so much, I'm not even sure the bands themselves is aware of what they are.
5. Hardcore is one of the branches of Emotive Hardcore, a single genre, branching off into two categories, but both branching at the bands discretion, despite claims, and I'm sure you will get alot of these from hardcore fans, it is not emo, I assure you it very much is.
6. But without heavy metal, no grunge, no harcore, no emo its that simple, Motorhead were not the first sub-genre to evolve from metal, as for Slayer and Mettalica, the genre is 'Thrash Metal' not fantasy metal, which is the domain of bands like Dragon Force and Rhapsody. The first sub-genre of metal, was in the early 70's whilst Lemmy was still with the Prog band Hawkwind, and it was power metal brought on by Iron Maiden. I dare you to defy me on my metal history, I have someone who was actually there and an active fan of metal since it birth as my source for this.
I wasn't saying metal did sound like emo, just without it, emo wouldn't exsist as metal forced the majority of the creative freedoms present in todays music... its that simple.
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