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 Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:23 pm
There are so many ways of looking at this topic. Is it ethically wrong, morally wrong, mentally wrong, or just plain wrong.
I'd like to hear YOUR views on abortion. Are you pro-life, pro-choice, or a moderate on the issue? Don't just state your preference, give a good reason to support your choice as well!
Personally, I am a moderate on the situation. I believe that a woman's right to choose should be her own. By taking away the right to an abortion, the government would be taking away a right protected by the basic foundations this government was founded upon. At the same time, I think that there should be stricter policies and regulations on the abortions. There needs to be a limit to how many can be done in a certain time frame, because I think it's wrong when women use abortion as their ONLY form of birth control.
It is also a proven fact that children born to parents who didn't plan or want their children are much more likely to become criminals. It's also a proven statistic that 20 years after Roe vs Wade, crime rates dropped dramatically. Because the unwanted and unplanned children stopped being born, and therefore that generation produced less criminals.
Cruel truth, but truth nevertheless.
State your opinions INTELLIGENTLY please. If you cannot produce an intelligent answer, don't post at all. Because I'll be deleting your post and banning you if you can't take this debate seriously.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:30 pm
PRO-CHOICE
You will never ever get rid of abortions. I know if I ever got pregnent I would get an abortion even if it is illeal. Pay someone enough and they'll do anything. Or simply take a gun the the gut in front of a hospital. Point being if someone doesn't want a baby, they will figure out a way to get an abortion. For the first 2 weeks the thing doesn't even have a gender. It is a fetis not a baby. I don't know when exactly abortions usually happen, but I do know it has to be before they are like 8-9 months in.
Making abortion illegal is taking control of the woman's body with out her consent. That is against the rights granted to US citizens by the constitution. Giving women full rights means they have the right to take their life or the life growing inside them. If women have no control of getting an abortion then men who get a woman pregnent against her will should lose that privledge. (Refering to rape)
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:34 pm
marshjazz Point being if someone doesn't want a baby, they will figure out a way to get an abortion.
That is another great point. Women were taking wire hangers to their uterus before abortions became available. What's to say they won't start doing that again?
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:40 pm
Pro-Life all the way. Even if I one day did something I regret (and don't give me grief about using the word regret).
First of all, I'd like to state that this wouldn't be so big a deal if people had self-control. The lack of this is what gets people into a whole bunch of trouble.
For instance:
•I can't control my sexual urges because my hormones are raging (what a lame excuse) so I'm gonna go have some sex.
•I can't control my temper so I'm going to go crazy and beat on you, maybe even to the point of your death.
•I wasn't wise with my financial choices so I'm gonna get a five finger discount from this store.
Etc, etc.
If you abstain then there shouldn't be worry of having a kid that you didn't want in the first place. Therefore 1, there wouldn't be the insurmountable amount of people on the world (overpopulation), the wouldn't be a huge drain on the earth and its resources, there wouldn't be high crime rates. Whatever, whatever.
Furthermore, there's a lack of maturity on the parents' end. They lack the knowledge of raising the kids they don't want, so the kids end up growing up unguided, potentially as adults with the mind of a child, without a mature sense of right and wrong. So naturally with an impaired sense of judgment they're going to do this kind of crap you mentioned.
It's why adoption is such a good thing to do. In terms of there being a hope of the kid growing up to be a productive, respectable, human with some integrity.
In addition to saying all this, I believe it's wrong on these couple accounts.
1. Being a Christian and holding fast to what I've integrated to my self, I believe that this would be murder. I'm sure I don't need to go into this 'cause I'm sure you've heard this point many times.
2. Sure abortion is the woman's choice, and sure you won't have this problem/burden of a kid, but an abortion has detrimental effects on the female's body and emotions
I don't think we can say it's ethically wrong though, since a lot of females have done this. It's somewhat accepted in our society. Which I won't stand for.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:49 pm
Norayr In addition to saying all this, I believe it's wrong on these couple accounts. 1. Being a Christian and holding fast to what I've integrated to my self, I believe that this would be murder. I'm sure I don't need to go into this 'cause I'm sure you've heard this point many times. 2. Sure abortion is the woman's choice, and sure you won't have this problem/burden of a kid, but an abortion has detrimental effects on the female's body and emotions. 1. The bible is loaded full of contradicions. It even states that according to the religion. The "birth" of the baby doesn't occur until the mother feels it kick. Therefore you should be fine so long as your remove it before it kicks. CSI baby. cool (And yes I looked it up, it is true) 2. And giving birth is flowers and rainbows? Either way you look at it, it's gonna hurt. @Xyloid: Thank you for seeing my point. =D
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:50 pm
@ Nor:
What about women who have been raped? What about women who have to have an abortion to save their own life? Would you force a woman who is drug infested to have a deformed or mentally handicapped child that she would probably end up taking care of for the rest of her life?
I think an abortion is less traumatizing to a woman who has been raped. I mean, should she have to live with the constant reminder that she was raped? Having a child does that. She would have to carry that child for nine months, find someone to adopt it, and then wonder about that child for the rest of her life.
Women who have to have abortions to save their own life are a completely different case. And by saying 'oh, well that's acceptable' means you are NOT pro-life.
And in the case of druggies, why would you force that woman to have that child? Chances are, she isn't going to quit smoking, drinking, and shooting up just because she has a child. She could force herself into early labor, give birth to the child herself in her trailer because she can't afford the hospital, or the child could be severely handicapped because of the constant stream of drugs and abuse. And on top of that, what is the chances she is actually going to take the time to give it up for adoption? What are the chances she is going to be one of those crazy people that dumps their child in a dumpster or lets her new boyfriend shake it to death while HE'S coked up. I would rather that child be aborted that die like that.
I understand you points and PERSONALLY agree with some of them. I'm just sticking these points out in the open.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:52 pm
Pro Life~
Surely abortion is a choice to women who in some cases got pregnant in no time and is afraid of her parents or the guy got scared cause he's not ready for a family and leaves the girl or she was raped. Still in my opinion it's wrong, not because I'm a catholic but It's life. The first thing ever developed in a child is it's heart beat. Fears lets us do anything even kill a life. I heard other people say that fetus aren't alive cause they are not born yet, that's not true. A small heart beat is a proof that they are alive or beginning to live inside the mother.
Why let the child suffer if it has nothing to do with everything even at the beginning? I mean they should take responsibility especially to some men.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:55 pm
marshjazz Norayr In addition to saying all this, I believe it's wrong on these couple accounts. 1. Being a Christian and holding fast to what I've integrated to my self, I believe that this would be murder. I'm sure I don't need to go into this 'cause I'm sure you've heard this point many times. 2. Sure abortion is the woman's choice, and sure you won't have this problem/burden of a kid, but an abortion has detrimental effects on the female's body and emotions. 1. The bible is loaded full of contradicions. It even states that according to the religion. The "birth" of the baby doesn't occur until the mother feels it kick. Therefore you should be fine so long as your remove it before it kicks. CSI baby. cool (And yes I looked it up, it is true) 2. And giving birth is flowers and rainbows? Either way you look at it, it's gonna hurt. @Xyloid: Thank you for seeing my point. =D 1. Please point out to me where this is. I'd like to check it out because I've never seen that before anywhere in the Bible. 2. I'm talking about what happens after the child is aborted. Not during.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:01 pm
Xyloid @ Nor:
What about women who have been raped? What about women who have to have an abortion to save their own life? Would you force a woman who is drug infested to have a deformed or mentally handicapped child that she would probably end up taking care of for the rest of her life?
I think an abortion is less traumatizing to a woman who has been raped. I mean, should she have to live with the constant reminder that she was raped? Having a child does that. She would have to carry that child for nine months, find someone to adopt it, and then wonder about that child for the rest of her life.
Women who have to have abortions to save their own life are a completely different case. And by saying 'oh, well that's acceptable' means you are NOT pro-life.
And in the case of druggies, why would you force that woman to have that child? Chances are, she isn't going to quit smoking, drinking, and shooting up just because she has a child. She could force herself into early labor, give birth to the child herself in her trailer because she can't afford the hospital, or the child could be severely handicapped because of the constant stream of drugs and abuse. And on top of that, what is the chances she is actually going to take the time to give it up for adoption? What are the chances she is going to be one of those crazy people that dumps their child in a dumpster or lets her new boyfriend shake it to death while HE'S coked up. I would rather that child be aborted that die like that.
I understand you points and PERSONALLY agree with some of them. I'm just sticking these points out in the open. (Don't worry, I understand what you're doing. ) Ok, about having an abortion when the woman is dying. This is a difficult thing to do, but I'd pick my wife over my child any day in that situation. I'll reiterate what a terrible thing it is to give the ok on, but in this case and this case alone, would I ok an abortion. Because husband and wife are one and equal. Rape. That's a tricky case, but again, there could be so much good that can come from that child that was a rape baby. Some may see it that way others may not. Sure there's the reminder of the rape in her for those 9 months she's carrying the baby, but after that it can ease off if the kid grows to be a very responsible, caring human. … man. i don't want to give any more haphazard answers, so i'm going to stop right now. I have to get going to church right now. I would really like to stay and continue, but it'll have to wait till I get back. Or possibly till tomorrow. later.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:03 pm
Inubelle~ Pro Life~
Surely abortion is a choice to women who in some cases got pregnant in no time and is afraid of her parents or the guy got scared cause he's not ready for a family and leaves the girl or she was raped. Still in my opinion it's wrong, not because I'm a catholic but It's life. The first thing ever developed in a child is it's heart beat. Fears lets us do anything even kill a life. I heard other people say that fetus aren't alive cause they are not born yet, that's not true. A small heart beat is a proof that they are alive or beginning to live inside the mother.
Why let the child suffer if it has nothing to do with everything even at the beginning? I mean they should take responsibility especially to some men. And you would trust someone who was so irrisbonsible to get knocked up at prom to raise a baby? Isn't that proof enough that she isn't ready? You can not give exceptions to some people. Like you said a heartbeat is a heartbeat. So the raped girls would have to live with that constant reminder and those poor deformed druggie babies. How is the "child" suffering. It hasn't even breathed in air before. If you do it early enough the "child's" pain receptors may not even have developed. So it can't even feel pain. And I think an instant death or dieing in its sleep would be better than constant abuse because its mother didn't wanna have it. And yes many people do not know that adoption is a possiblity. In some cases it may not be. (i.e. the boarding house is full, the baby has a disease and they don't want it, it is termanly ill, etc.)
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:04 pm
Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
Second.. If the mother wants to abort her baby, that's her choice. People don't tell you how to raise your child, don't tell them how to raise theirs. That's a common saying, and I think if a parent doesn't want a child, then aborting them at such a low state of development is their choice.
If they didn't get pregnant in the first place, that egg would be disposed of anyways, and that "baby", would "die".
So I don't find a problem with it.
neutral
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:05 pm
It's okay Chris. I'll be around to keep debating: But for when you get back, I'll keep going. xD
Women who are raped will never forget the fact that they were raped, and how bad the experience was. Most the time it's by people they know and TRUST, so how are they supposed to trust anyone else? Let alone with their child. Even if she does give the child up and he becomes a very respected member of society, she isn't going to be able to face the child or even the thought of the child without thinking 'this child was produced unwillingly.'
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:07 pm
AmErIcAnSyKo Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
Second.. If the mother wants to abort her baby, that's her choice. People don't tell you how to raise your child, don't tell them how to raise theirs. That's a common saying, and I think if a parent doesn't want a child, then aborting them at such a low state of development is their choice.
If they didn't get pregnant in the first place, that egg would be disposed of anyways, and that "baby", would "die".
So I don't find a problem with it.
neutral
See, that makes me wonder. Isn't a condom like abortion? It's killing all those spermies.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:21 pm
Xyloid AmErIcAnSyKo Pro-choice.
One reason being, because I doubt a fetus still in the process of growing its brain, will not feel anything.. Honestly, do any of you remember a time when you were a fetus? No? Thought so. You cannot feel what you do not remember. Anyone ever been knocked unconcious for surgery?
Second.. If the mother wants to abort her baby, that's her choice. People don't tell you how to raise your child, don't tell them how to raise theirs. That's a common saying, and I think if a parent doesn't want a child, then aborting them at such a low state of development is their choice.
If they didn't get pregnant in the first place, that egg would be disposed of anyways, and that "baby", would "die".
So I don't find a problem with it.
neutral
See, that makes me wonder. Isn't a condom like abortion? It's killing all those spermies.
I guess, if you want to think about it that way.
xd
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 7:22 pm
I really don't know where I stand too much, because both sides have very plausible arguments, so I'll just say I'm moderate.
At first, I was pretty pro-life, not because of religious reasons, (I'm a militant atheist), but because it just seemed wrong at the time. Like a bunch of people I know have had abortions just because they were too lazy to put on a condom, or didn't want to, and I thought well, that baby didn't ask to be made so why should you punish it because of your stupidity?
But then I saw something on CNN about a woman who was pregnant with her first child that her and her husband really wanted, but they found out that there was something wrong with the baby that couldn't be corrected, and the baby would only live to be about 3(I don't really remember but somewhere around that number) and would pretty much be suffering its whole life. The woman didn't want her baby to suffer and they also couldn't afford to take care of it because of the special hospital treatment it was going to need, so she had to get an abortion. And I thought well if there was a law banning abortion, then she wouldn't have been able to abort her baby and her family would go through the pain and suffering of watching the poor thing go through so much pain slowly dying.
There's also the problem of like teen parents being forced by their parents to have kids when they get pregnant because their parents don't believe in abortion and they don't want to be thought of as murderers. And while a lot of those kids grow up and lead happy, healthy, normal lives, there are some that the mother makes sure know that they aren't wanted. And well that would probably lead to depression and/or criminal activity (someone already mentioned something about that^ but I can't find it xD)
Then i finally come to myself. Me, being 17....If I got pregnant now, I'd most likely get an abortion myself. I also probably wouldn't have any qualms about it either.
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