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band4ever101

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:36 pm


I have gay friends and they inspired the thought of this thread. I didnt see a topic like this but if there is feel free to lock this thread.

I just want your opinions. Mine are that if you are in love then you are. I dont think one chooses to be gay its just the way they are. I could never wake up and just say...ok today I'm deciding to be gay from now on.

Tell me what you think?

<3
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:06 pm


I'm moderate. While I think it is none of anybody's bisuness who anyone marries, I think that it might have a negitive effect on society and me. I think by allowing gay marrige divorce rates will rise as people think they are gay and then find out that they aren't. And alsobn if gays were allowed to be married all the adoption agencies might become empty, and it will become really hard to adopt a kid, which is good, unless you are one of the few straight people who would want to adopt a child. Since you can have a child and are straight, gay people will probably end up getting the preference. I'm not garenteeing this will happen, I just see it as a sad possibility. I have some "gay" friends and "bi" friends, and they partially influence me to be for it, but I'm just moderate, I can't make up my mind either way.

As for choosing to be gay, you'd be surprized. I know atleast one person right off the top of my head that choose to be bi, and she only did it for the attension. She thinks it makes her fit in better with some of her older friends.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:32 pm


I guess I support gay marrige. if they love eachother, so be it. and as for choosing/born I guess it could be eather but I think that it could be how you were raised. but of course not in all cases.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:36 am


She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.

Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.

~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~

I just want to inform you that there are several people who change their means of life. There are several straght people at my school who assume homosexuality to be able to have sex with the same sex couple, and not have any ties to it. Then they assume heterosexuality and deny what happened before. To this you might come up with the defence that people are just denying their homosexuality, and trying to ignore it, but this is not so.

I think that there is a genetic component to homosexuality, and that it can be inherited at birth, but there are many cases in which it can be triggered by abuse or some sort of trauma.

Even though in the above statements I think that there is some choise in one's sexual orientation.

And I am all for same-sex marriages. I'm fairly moderate about the subject. Homosexual couples should have the same familial rights as a heterosexual couple can. They should have the same custodial rights with children, and be able to have the same marital rights.

I don't think that gay marriage being legal would empty the adoption agencies, as stated earlier by marshjazz. As sad as it is, there are so many people with unwanted pregnancies that would put children up for adoption, that this is not a huge deal. The world is becoming over-populated, and there is no need to worry that there are enough children for everyone.

I live in Massachusettes, where Gay marriage is allowed [as far as I know] and everything is alright. I have severaql bisexual/homosexual friends, and as far as I know, nothing is bad about it.

I do have one friend, who is a little iffy about her sexuality. She is bisexual, but likes women more. She likes men and would like dating them, but she has so far dated only one woman and no men. She is so very picky that I don't wonder why it is difficult for her to choose her sexuality. She also lives in a russian household and her parents would somewhat disown her if she liked women. [Which is why she hasn't come out of the closet.] But this was jusy a small side note.

I'm not 100% informed about everything, so don't bother questioning my statements but don't flame me for trying the best I can.

~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~


The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.

Narcissistic Literature


marshjazz

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:11 pm


I wasn't saying that they would be empty, just that there would be less kids in them and that gays might get preference to straight couples (unless the owners are against it) I wasn't to clear, sorry. sweatdrop I don't really see the adoption agencies empting either.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 2:20 pm


marshjazz
I wasn't saying that they would be empty, just that there would be less kids in them and that gays might get preference to straight couples (unless the owners are against it) I wasn't to clear, sorry. sweatdrop I don't really see the adoption agencies empting either.


She lay down on the grass,
Looking up at the sky,
thinking, it’s all she can do.
If she disappeared she would not be missed.
She will be gone just like everyone else.

Getting up from the grass,
she walks on the sand,
looking outward towards the sea.
She walks into the water high up above her knees.

~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~

Why would hopmosexual couples have a greater preference by the adoption agencies than heterosexual couples? We're all the same afterall...

=]

~~~♥~~~♥ Narc Lit ♥~~~♥~~~


The waves softly hit her legs.
She looks at the sunset and its yellow-red hues
she walks into the sea, farther and farther,
opening her arms towards the wave.
The water is high up to her hips.
The wave comes towards her.
She looks at the wave with her arms stretched out;
the water starts to rage, the wave hits her body hard.
Then the water calms down. The water recedes,
then darkness falls, and all goes dark.
The sun goes down and the day is done.

Narcissistic Literature


marshjazz

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 3:36 pm


The way I see it is that because it is physcally impossible for 2 girls/guys to get pregnent, without the help of the opposite gender or invetro fertalization, straight people might have to wait longer or not get a baby at all. If gays marry then technically having sex with someone outside of the marrige is having an affair/violating marriage vows. And also, if your truely completely gay to the bone it would be hard for you to have sex with the opposite gender.

Invetrto fertalization doesn't always take. I think it takes several tries to get it to take in most cases as well. Also not sre on this, but it might cost money for the procedure. Some people aren't comfortable with it either.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 4:40 pm


The girl that you referred to that chose to be bi...I didn't think about that when I stated that you don't choose. I meant that I generally think it's a birth thing...but the girl you reffered to. I see what you are talking about.

The adoption thing. Most adoption agencies frown upon allowing a gay couple to adopt a child, because alot of people think that influence on someone can make them gay. I believe that (as you stated) you can make someoen think they are gay...but as for totally making them gay...I'm not sure that is possible.

<3

band4ever101


marshjazz

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:30 pm


Those are only traditionalist adoption agencies. And besides, if it becomes legal, whats to stop them from changing their practices?

Well, she has never been in a gay relationship, but she insists that she is bi. It's not like they made her become bi, or forced her into anything, or even influenced/encouraged her descion, atleast as far as I know. she just choose to because she thinks it makes her get more attension.
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 8:34 pm


I don't see the harm in giving homosexuals the same rights to marriage as heterosexuals. I also don't think sexuality should be black and white as every person is either just straight or just gay.

@marshjazz: I highly doubt that the adoption agencies are going to become empty or that straight people that want to adopt won't be able to because you're assuimg that every gay couple wants to have kids or won't go through insemination, in vitro or get a mother to bear it. Sure they all have complications and problems and with in vitro and insemination there's going to be a lot of try/fail but that's like with almost any straight couple trying to have a baby. Not a lot get it on the first try and quite possibly some gay couples want to going through that trying period.

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marshjazz

PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:07 pm


Once again, I'm just looking at the possibilities. I've said that about 3 times, stop argueing with me. I get it that no one else sees that as a possiblility. I do. Okay? Simple enough?
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:07 am


Personally I don't care too much whether gay people have a cermony which is like getting married as long as they don't call it marriage because that is defined as a joining between a man and a women, at least it is in our dictionaries. Thats the only problem I have with it. They call it a Civil Partnership here and everyone seems happy with it. They get married but its called something else, keeps nearly everyone happy.

Also I think adoption agencies are weary (at least here) of homosexual couples. A child being brought up by same sex parents will get bullied like crazy going through school because its not normal (at least not here). As most adoption agencies have to look out for the childs welfare I think it is possible that heterosexual couples are more likely to be allowed to adopt a child then homosexual couples. I do believe this will change over time because one day it will be normal for kids to be brought up with same sex children but for now I think it would be harder for them to adopt for the welfare of the child. Little kids can be evil.

Also I don't believe in there being a gene for homosexual people. There maybe biological chemicals in the brain that are different because of some event but I don't believe in a gene and any scientific proof of one seems to be counter argued just as thoroughly (kind of like the 'murder' gene). I believe homosexuality is more of a choice. I believe everyone while going through adolescent can be attracted to the opposite sex and the same sex and through experiences at that time I believe thats how they choose their sexuality. I might be way out and really wrong but thats defiantly how my few friends became homosexual, they were far from it before adolescent.

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Ms Rubee Knight

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:48 am


The church kind of kicks itself in the a** in this particulair arguement. Because one thing the church always tells you is that " God made everyone the way that they are" but they are discriminating against one of god's creation, the Gay man/woman. Gay people don't just suddenly stand up and say "I want to be Gay!" They are born that way. Some show gay tendancies throughout childhood, some claim to be "Meterosexual" until their late 20's and so on. And when the church refuses them, they are refusing something that their own god created therefore they are sinning and doomed to burn in hell. Personally I think if you love someone, then it shouldn't matter if they do or dont have a p***s.
PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:05 pm


I think gays should be aloud to have a relationship. When their in love their in love, no-one should just say you can't be together bacause your the same sex. But in a way I think it's a little wrong, I probly think that because I'm not gay.

Aki~ Ninja ~


Aki~ Ninja ~

PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:07 pm


Courtney Blake
The church kind of kicks itself in the a** in this particulair arguement. Because one thing the church always tells you is that " God made everyone the way that they are" but they are discriminating against one of god's creation, the Gay man/woman. Gay people don't just suddenly stand up and say "I want to be Gay!" They are born that way. Some show gay tendancies throughout childhood, some claim to be "Meterosexual" until their late 20's and so on. And when the church refuses them, they are refusing something that their own god created therefore they are sinning and doomed to burn in hell. Personally I think if you love someone, then it shouldn't matter if they do or dont have a p***s.


I agree.
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